Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PcoV3-0000P0-AL; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:23:46 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf13715gyb.16 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:23:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1Qcn5mKgxYRfbJ9OBRqEWrcz47HVXE2COu0ONq3NKqw=; b=2OBsI0EEiua7L4lYwZokGpWAjxHlEwF8ny0/e0ZpkookoCgH8MYTriZsm585ai9PF0 SQ9RYbg6LO+t6/ZDlLo9XFG/nEpZIsp5UJkalKftEWgs7tWx3Ze5dv4l8DEwZXuLytRR O/Pi4QtWJvCW+muHNRM7uMpaHeYhLxzjRpT3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1CqYBfLDDET7briyk62a2THZfQPYDPfD4YYPf0oJzDn3Zvmdcu76QVIXeIpYzeBujo Xhnra9cSgBRyWe5Uca7gbgykdVrV1V0a3/Rln1Ot3/uhmKcVdrcVwl30YThU/iU9Ke8r 6tsbw5QVtGgc6VLZEbBd1VBqu0l16QJV9B6cc= Received: by 10.90.75.15 with SMTP id x15mr63133aga.42.1294791806937; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:23:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls136176ibb.1.p; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.39.73 with SMTP id f9mr182762ibe.17.1294791702656; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.39.73 with SMTP id f9mr181909ibe.17.1294791591857; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com (mail-iy0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m30si16026ibu.2.2011.01.11.16.19.50; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.175; Received: by iyj18 with SMTP id 18so25746iyj.6 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.206 with SMTP id fv14mr303138ibb.75.1294791590696; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110111233610.GA39825@104.sub-69-96-220.myvzw.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Define "define" From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc232d2580c04999b2851 Content-Length: 5989 --90e6ba4fc232d2580c04999b2851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 so why not selvla? On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > But {cmene} explicitly lacks any place for "meaning". > {valsi} might work, but it still seems weird. > > I was thinking something along the lines of "standardized meaning" > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM, .alyn.post. < > alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 06:31:11PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >> > [1]Above all, logic requires precise definitions. >> > >> > {ra'u lo logji ku se sarcu lo satci me'oi .definition.} >> > >> > (forgive me if I misued {me'oi}; I'm not yet well versed in importing >> > words) >> > >> > .i ma valsi lo me'oi .definition. >> > >> >> Isn't that cmene? >> >> A definition is associating a symbol with some thing/concept, which >> is what cmene does. >> >> -Alan >> -- >> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 a= t 6:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
But {cmene} explicitly lacks any place for "meaning".
{valsi} = might work, but it still seems weird.

I was thinking something along= the lines of "standardized meaning"


On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:36 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodo= ckikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 06:31:11PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> =A0 =A0[1]Above all, logic requires precise definitions.
>
> =A0 =A0{ra'u lo logji ku se sarcu lo satci me'oi .definition.}=
>
> =A0 =A0(forgive me if I misued {me'oi}; I'm not yet well verse= d in importing
> =A0 =A0words)
>
> =A0 =A0.i ma valsi lo me'oi .definition.
>

Isn't that cmene?

A definition is associating a symbol with some thing/concept, which
is what cmene does.

-Alan
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