Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pcq2Z-000825-Qd; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:28 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf61442wyb.16 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tRenLn+KgMFP744/MdJKyuzW4Nke+1hnYLRxHag6GGg=; b=fNOkZuJbgVnrJZvVBg/R9HW5o9IGQqZvoL7Mvm1qW8k1fKYvi0T+5IAaqjxGQLFLOA FlYTJajvpV6xiQr1MqKwDl8BIBu//Y3zwziDX5QWqdoZGl7acAHvJyyu105d1nwFxhQ6 tAUnfw6Oj/AgUhfXJbXPsvbBTty/nxZ3zoO6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=YSvCBcLKVFaa/5obtER5G40232y2V/IZREl2TFj4cySaTzc7fLbSKZMKYttPsv3eRI 8JRdnABtzJEyDnA1V7yEsIas4FUz8Rko6j+w23TxSSPTyODCA/nVnjL1EhpvllDrh657 ly81/dz/UVREvVSFEYfvX7Ppz2IDGEMUpsOg8= Received: by 10.216.72.65 with SMTP id s43mr305958wed.1.1294797728344; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.24.73 with SMTP id w49ls11516eew.4.p; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.198 with SMTP id d46mr75057eei.5.1294797727205; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.198 with SMTP id d46mr75055eei.5.1294797727180; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ew0-f42.google.com (mail-ew0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z15si51294eeh.2.2011.01.11.18.02.06; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so58157ewy.15 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.4.134 with SMTP id 6mr632464ebr.14.1294797725902; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.28.73 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:02:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Define "define" From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com, tatoeba-lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c171282295404999c9660 Content-Length: 2776 --0015174c171282295404999c9660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > so why not selvla? > I feel like selvla is settling. I'll take it if nothing better comes up, but you can define things that aren't words. You can define concepts (which are, I admit are typically expressed in words) and symbols, too. > I think to define is to specify the meaning, but I don't know how to > say "specify". We have "specific", but not "specify". We also have "ca'e", > but it doesn't have a rafsi. "ca'esmu" is glossed as > "push-ing-meaning(s)??". Seems a tad too figurative... As I understand, {ca'e} the discursive and {-ca'e-} the rafsi aren't related. -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174c171282295404999c9660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
so why not selvla?

I feel like selvla is settling.= =A0 I'll take it if nothing better comes up, but you can define things = that aren't words.=A0 You can define concepts (which are, I admit are t= ypically expressed in words) and symbols, too.
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I think to define is to specify the meaning, but I don't know how to say "specify". We have "specific", but not "specif= y". We also have "ca'e",
but it doesn't have a rafsi. "ca'esmu" is glossed as &quo= t;push-ing-meaning(s)??".

Seems a tad too figurat= ive...=A0 As I understand, {ca'e} the discursive and {-ca'e-} the r= afsi aren't related.
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