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I like the idea of specifying a meaning.  What about something like "smuski=
"
for "x1 defines x2" so "definition" would be selsmuski.  A "meaning
description".  I guess there's a slight difference between "describing
meaning" and "assigning meaning".

This brings up another question for me though.  In general, if I have a
lujvo like {zanfri} and then I coin a new lujvo like {selzanfri}... would i=
t
be understood as {sel (zanfri)} which would be something like "a favorable
happening"?  Or would it be understood as {(selzan)fri} which would be
something like... well I guess I'd still interpret that as a favorable
happening.  But my question is:  if there is a well understood lujvo with 3
or 4 slots, and then someone comes along and makes a new lujvo with {sel} o=
r
some such tacked on to the front, should I read that lujvo as {se <lujvo>}
or as a brand new lujvo where the {sel} applies to the first rafsi and not
the whole lujvo?

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> There is always {zei}; I think {ca'e zei bridi} is probably a good lujvo
> option for "axiom" (the obvious competitor being {.aksioma}).
>
> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 11 January 2011 19:19:50 Luke Bergen wrote:
>> > so why not selvla?
>>
>> I think to define is to specify the meaning, but I don't know how to
>> say "specify". We have "specific", but not "specify". We also have "ca'e=
",
>> but it doesn't have a rafsi. "ca'esmu" is glossed as
>> "push-ing-meaning(s)??".
>>
>> Pierre
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I like the idea of=A0specifying=A0a meaning. =A0What about something like &=
quot;smuski&quot; for &quot;x1 defines x2&quot; so &quot;definition&quot; w=
ould be selsmuski. =A0A &quot;meaning description&quot;. =A0I guess there&#=
39;s a slight difference between &quot;describing meaning&quot; and &quot;a=
ssigning meaning&quot;. =A0<br>
<br><div>This brings up another question for me though. =A0In general, if I=
 have a lujvo like {zanfri} and then I coin a new lujvo like {selzanfri}...=
 would it be understood as {sel (zanfri)} which would be something like &qu=
ot;a favorable happening&quot;? =A0Or would it be understood as {(selzan)fr=
i} which would be something like... well I guess I&#39;d still interpret th=
at as a favorable happening. =A0But my question is: =A0if there is a well u=
nderstood lujvo with 3 or 4 slots, and then someone comes along and makes a=
 new lujvo with {sel} or some such tacked on to the front, should I read th=
at lujvo as {se &lt;lujvo&gt;} or as a brand new lujvo where the {sel} appl=
ies to the first rafsi and not the whole lujvo?<br>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Ian Jo=
hnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blind=
bravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
There is always {zei}; I think {ca&#39;e zei bridi} is probably a good lujv=
o option for &quot;axiom&quot; (the obvious competitor being {.aksioma}).<b=
r><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .latros.<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Pierre Abbat <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank"=
>phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday 11 January 2=
011 19:19:50 Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; so why not selvla?<br>
<br>
I think to define is to specify the meaning, but I don&#39;t know how to<br=
>
say &quot;specify&quot;. We have &quot;specific&quot;, but not &quot;specif=
y&quot;. We also have &quot;ca&#39;e&quot;,<br>
but it doesn&#39;t have a rafsi. &quot;ca&#39;esmu&quot; is glossed as &quo=
t;push-ing-meaning(s)??&quot;.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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