Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PesZt-0000JG-Vq; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:09:17 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf3668613ywh.16 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:09:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3uvWTI0x7w0NXBCXtnRXrRK1o3u2/DLt0OPzFBPhl3A=; b=VuJYCRz23/u/rEvWX+XqaSRDHXIQpgEzJ1+0xZu9Z431mt/4cEuspchW+yKQN4lBFn ZnP1HeIFwLiKtA4+290rxaithc5SaykaOqJLztF4LxiT1I/5CaAD1YFu4HOsAHczebK+ M5cNa+WU36+bChdlmOQQNZf2WIwpDZ8trzf7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=l8qiQn8/mTxgsCUR8hps11GlwMmln3KNdPU681h/5yIxdcAYxFrjjphMJPbX2fR3P7 NwwR8kmDhklNVfYCHDo55ZTYIARFgZypCxoV6B9QFfgU8j2NQMfU6M0LYpbjnZYrtS5o x6Ne5hSje+iOiEhKd695EML6t5RndG1BVmxvw= Received: by 10.236.110.41 with SMTP id t29mr313689yhg.16.1295284108109; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:28 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls5355013ibk.3.p; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr1130279ibb.3.1295284107269; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr1130278ibb.3.1295284107149; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25si1202507ibb.0.2011.01.17.09.08.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 6so6661432iwn.15 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.1 with SMTP id n1mr4561972ibd.0.1295284106015; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:08:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201101112018.32029.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4D2D97F6.8060402@lojban.org> <201101121112.38216.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Define "define" From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002215046b8705b285049a0dd5eb Content-Length: 3691 --002215046b8705b285049a0dd5eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think a definition is more restricted than lo smuni. I think that I can say something like {lo smuni be lo cukta} to talk about the moral of a book or what that book means in a social context. A definition is something that describes what a word means in particular. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > What's wrong with just plain "smuni"? Am I missing something here? > (Especially if the te smuni is carefully specified) A definition is > nothing other than a commonly agreed about meaning of a word or phrase > or symbol. > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Michael Tu= rniansky <mtu= rniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0What's wrong with just plain "smuni"? =A0Am I missing som= ething here?
(Especially if the te smuni is carefully specified) =A0A definition is
nothing other than a commonly agreed about meaning of a word or phrase
or symbol.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

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