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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Ambiguous lujvo?
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Thanks for a fun example!
CLL forces a pause between {lo} and {jbojbena} in case you stress
{lo}. This pause is here because it's sometimes hard not to stress a
cmavo before a brivla. The case in my question is similar. If I ever
need to say "xlagru blakla", I'll try to remember to put a pause
between (as it's always acceptable).
Actually, {bauplafuzykamni} is two words: {bau plafuzykamni}.
{xlagrublakla} is a lujvo I made to get a handy example. I guess it's
a bad-grainish-blue-goer.

On 17 Sty, 05:26, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Sunday 16 January 2011 06:45:45 ianek wrote:
>
> > coi
> > What about lujvo on form CCVCCVCCVCV or CCVCCVCCVCCV etc.? In a 4-
> > syllable word it's hard not to stress the first syllable, so they
> > become unrecognizable from tanru CCVCCV CCVCV and CCVCCV CCVCCV. The
> > CLL doesn't force any pause in such tanru according to
> >http://dag.github.com/cll/4/9/and there is no rule to insert a hyphen in
> > the middle of the lujvo (in fact, words in form CCVCCVrCCVCCV like
> > *{xlagrurblakla} are recognized by vlatai as bad fu'ivla).
> > Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> You just have to be careful when pronouncing such words. Fortunately, getting
> the stress or juncture wrong in a word like this will only add the ambiguity
> that a tanru has, or change the grouping, not change the meaning to something
> totally different as dropping the r-hyphen would. A real example which
> doesn't quite fit your form is "baupla fuzykamni". Drop the stress on "bau"
> and you get "bauplafuzykamni", which is just a single word with the same
> morphemes.
>
> Here's a stress exercise: lo jbojbe na lojbo jbena lo jbojbena.
>
> An r-hyphen can be inserted only after a CVV or CV'V rafsi. The wordoid you
> gave is a slinku'i: x-lag-rur-bla-kla. What is a xlagrublakla, anyway?
>
> Pierre
> --
> li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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