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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday 19 January 2011 10:53:48 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> > Was my subject line clear and correct, and could it be more succinct?
> >
> > I feel like I'm missing some subtlety in the difference between the use
> of
> > {zi'o} and the use of {noda}.  If I say {noda klama} I'm saying that
> there
> > does not exist anyone that goes (in the obvious from context manner).  If
> I
> > say {zi'o klama}, am I talking about a type of going which does not
> involve
> > a goer (I acknowledge that this is slightly nonsensical; I'm just trying
> to
> > understand).
>
> "zi'o klama" means that there is a relation among a destination, an origin,
> a
> route, and a vehicle that may or may not involve a goer. So to say "This
> road
> goes from Charlotte to Raleigh" you can say "zi'o klama la ralix. la
> carlyt.
> le vi dargu" (of course you could also use "dargu" as the main selbri).
> This
> would make more sense if there were automatic vehicles that traveled on
> said
> road whether or not they contained passengers.
>
> On Wednesday 19 January 2011 11:58:13 Ian Johnson wrote:
> > If I remember correctly:
> > .i ko'a broda no da .ijo ko'a na broda
> > That is, if there does not exist anything such that ko'a broda's them,
> then
> > ko'a does not broda in general, and vice versa.
> > On the other hand {ko'a broda zi'o} and {ko'a broda da} are essentially
> > unrelated sentences, because {broda zi'o} is essentially an entirely new
> > relation. I'm not sure about {ko'a broda zi'o po'o}, though.
>
> I regard "zi'o po'o" as nonsense.
>

Nonsense, or meaningless?

stevo

>
> Pierre
> --
> lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Pierre Abbat <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.=
nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday 19 January 2011 10:53:48 Alex Rozenshteyn wr=
ote:<br>&gt; Was my subject line clear and correct, and could it be more su=
ccinct?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I feel like I&#39;m missing some subtlety in the di=
fference between the use of<br>

&gt; {zi&#39;o} and the use of {noda}. =A0If I say {noda klama} I&#39;m say=
ing that there<br>&gt; does not exist anyone that goes (in the obvious from=
 context manner). =A0If I<br>&gt; say {zi&#39;o klama}, am I talking about =
a type of going which does not involve<br>

&gt; a goer (I acknowledge that this is slightly nonsensical; I&#39;m just =
trying to<br>&gt; understand).<br><br></div>&quot;zi&#39;o klama&quot; mean=
s that there is a relation among a destination, an origin, a<br>route, and =
a vehicle that may or may not involve a goer. So to say &quot;This road<br>

goes from Charlotte to Raleigh&quot; you can say &quot;zi&#39;o klama la ra=
lix. la carlyt.<br>le vi dargu&quot; (of course you could also use &quot;da=
rgu&quot; as the main selbri). This<br>would make more sense if there were =
automatic vehicles that traveled on said<br>

road whether or not they contained passengers.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>On Wednesday 19 January 2011 11:58:13 Ian Johnson wro=
te:<br>&gt; If I remember correctly:<br>&gt; .i ko&#39;a broda no da .ijo k=
o&#39;a na broda<br>&gt; That is, if there does not exist anything such tha=
t ko&#39;a broda&#39;s them, then<br>

&gt; ko&#39;a does not broda in general, and vice versa.<br>&gt; On the oth=
er hand {ko&#39;a broda zi&#39;o} and {ko&#39;a broda da} are essentially<b=
r>&gt; unrelated sentences, because {broda zi&#39;o} is essentially an enti=
rely new<br>

&gt; relation. I&#39;m not sure about {ko&#39;a broda zi&#39;o po&#39;o}, t=
hough.<br><br></div>I regard &quot;zi&#39;o po&#39;o&quot; as nonsense.<br>=
</blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Nonsense, or meaningless?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>stevo</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>Pierre<br><font color=3D"#88=
8888">--<br>lo ponse be lo mruli po&#39;o cu ga&#39;ezga roda lo ka dinko<b=
r>

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