Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PgKS3-0005QC-FQ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:07:12 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf4464834qyl.16 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gYyUSjNHE8RiGMv12qfiM7DqmmZq1C61NL0vv9cNdG4=; b=1F6AA74R61pzJnISEnUShGqmYKnIO3w4Y880uybpS1O5bB6cz9x0vnHBIidccfvzAY kbdskDDHkqL3m6vI51O36RnJtsWempYqq7AWdv05hf7BATwEt2XV+XNFtkvfyTmLjpog KNs6V809tjg6bjXEADzbmTju3S3rdXOHwoXBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0FulQl19Ezrtn6WT7LBZALjv+LHzEt4paizAyOrAk58o6p0BeIJtU4mQJ8e7iIWIPN XDpQNR5ajUdjzq9yuqHdiW6BUFHKmydeH8erHL/okiTP1EX8/cJdrHzy56dKrcU1f65d Fs1RkgNXD3Mk4ajHMiSWRp4mMQKkoelsw37nQ= Received: by 10.229.219.81 with SMTP id ht17mr117298qcb.15.1295629610087; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.75.218 with SMTP id z26ls637234qcj.3.p; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.31.17 with SMTP id w17mr109408qcc.7.1295629609257; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.31.17 with SMTP id w17mr109407qcc.7.1295629609234; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y9si2202422qcc.12.2011.01.21.09.06.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27so2121953qyk.1 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.89.78 with SMTP id d14mr744480qcm.251.1295629608070; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:06:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1329 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Greendogo wrote: > I was wondering what criteria was chosen for the sounds used in > Lojban. > > For instance, why was the German sound used for "x" used, but the > sounds [th]ink, [th]e, b[a]t, and b[i]t were not? Of the six source langauges of lojban the hard/soft th exists in English and Arabic, and as a allophone to d/t in Spanish. Hindi has sounds that are close-ish, but not the same, and they don't exist in Russian nor Mandarin. By comparison the X sound exists in Spanish, Russian, Arabic, in Hindi loanwords, and not in English or Mandarin. But as Timoa says, you can voice the ' as a "th", if you wish (since "H" similarly doesn't exist in many languages as is hard for some to do). Most people don't, though. Vowels, on the other hand, tend to drift rather dramatically by speakers of various regions, so they were chosen to be as far apart phonemically, as possible. --gejsypa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.