Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PgKUo-0005Y7-3F; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:10:03 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf1453393yxn.16 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DvUWyA5XyzWGY9A8YlSN+m0oW8YRnLFTOVXpsBmmUSo=; b=WlmI7aRFCEvMHR87smBdtNTm6Wt6CNiyCUu5jfv4oTNPVbSXxvono2q6QNBpl7IZVP Qr3S7OqCCnTnyRxjNBpaAB5nIJdxiXGFv41JbLsB1myoRjqtkUZXqwpGzjo9nCfEbxnd TOoogMvvCoU6lhlkp2LIExAo+IYHJ0L5CzyRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BqKc3PASIttcsdtqdx7thHdDZCcEcTxeMxGM0dFjWzmaN3wmdJYZfAYHe2n1rJGPSF ZVneKImQ+aC8Ni9zXBkPn6ntTP6Iyb8ZiQBLrcVIPsL0FYlgCVvp9xmaUgd0jHbOgSbW x6THBk5hMe81UQ6IAEYQAuJeWW/+r0HDwgD0E= Received: by 10.150.136.20 with SMTP id j20mr83929ybd.68.1295629781379; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls2220279ibi.2.p; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr314326ibb.3.1295629780243; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr314325ibb.3.1295629780198; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f177.google.com (mail-iy0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si2385073ibq.7.2011.01.21.09.09.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Received: by mail-iy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 21so1921928iyj.8 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.166.200 with SMTP id p8mr1109501icy.87.1295629779108; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <4D39AB52.7000207@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8adebe81d5049a5e5005 Content-Length: 2698 --90e6ba6e8adebe81d5049a5e5005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As for the two "th" sounds... well, there are a ton of consonant-like > sounds that didn't make it into lojban. We can't get them all in there. I > seem to remember hearing an argument against [th]e that went something like > "many languages don't have that sound and it is extremely difficult to > pronounce for people who haven't grown up with it". > I think a similar argument can be made against many of the omitted vowels. Also, many of the vowels in English are pretty close to others. My mother can barely tell the "a" in "bat" and the "e" in "bet". It makes it easier to tell words apart, which is part of lojban's aim. -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8adebe81d5049a5e5005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As for the two "th" sounds... well, there are a to= n of consonant-like sounds that didn't make it into lojban. =A0We can&#= 39;t get them all in there. =A0I seem to remember hearing an argument again= st [th]e that went something like "many languages don't have that = sound and it is extremely difficult to pronounce for people who haven't= grown up with it".
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I think a similar argument can be made against man= y of the omitted vowels.=A0 Also, many of the vowels in English are pretty = close to others.=A0 My mother can barely tell the "a" in "ba= t" and the "e" in "bet".=A0 It makes it easier to = tell words apart, which is part of lojban's aim.

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