Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pgqe2-00011k-H4; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:42 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf2453001ywh.16 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6IGVeBsHvna8XIKhdkd/pzXErVDGb72Ax7a6lnrMiuo=; b=z8M7nEE5L1pQqSbSvHp1mHneAG6PRGUfeG48fNwJFMssXFk9RkoOYUlOLtThA0Aqq+ bm3J22/AM64IMEDPNyKcig0doSe93Go0JqRd8BN77UTQj4FNVg3sTdlDeCtYcDo77wCm 1uHcXFRgPX0uUVXqP4znu+Rg0qv5XmwkUKYHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dEcrAB6+QQ8eT6MS+zsKmUvN3o97ikjGykwAIhxRTTP1wegumfL0xq3gSKrAyfMzUe lS3kZtiA+XMtL2qO6+xIwQpU/x5UdfS9J/4k7TdjfvU8Y73UH6h+vs85g+MyIS/lobWq H0hrHC9vmhKlTek8tXaYYspP8wt+aG/jbmEWU= Received: by 10.147.171.18 with SMTP id y18mr217748yao.28.1295753360587; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls3395706ibh.0.p; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.34.6 with SMTP id j6mr920679ibd.10.1295753359759; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.34.6 with SMTP id j6mr920678ibd.10.1295753359725; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si1244187ict.0.2011.01.22.19.29.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so3256684iwn.35 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.241.74 with SMTP id ld10mr2966918icb.20.1295753358366; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:29:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201101222052.29967.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <7a56acc4-c2ce-47fe-ba09-b1f6a61eb59d@c39g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <201101222052.29967.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:29:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549b49a4573a049a7b1626 Content-Length: 4353 --20cf30549b49a4573a049a7b1626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So does "bite" sound kinda like "buy 't" (where " 't " is "it" with the "i" chopped off)? On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 22 January 2011 13:22:32 Luke Bergen wrote: > > Really? I find that I pronounce bite like lojban byit. Maybe a better > > example of yi in english is "site". When I say "site" out loud in > english > > there is absolutely no hint of the lojban "a" sound. > > > > I think that in general english "s[i]te" and "b[uy]" are two different > and > > distinct diphthongs > > When I pronounce them, "site", "bite", and "buy" all have the same > diphthong, > except that the one in "buy" is longer, as in "side" and "bide". > > Pierre > -- > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30549b49a4573a049a7b1626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So does "bite" sound kinda like "buy 't" (where &qu= ot; 't " is "it" with the "i" chopped off)?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Pierre Abb= at <phma@phma.op= tus.nu> wrote:
On Saturday 22 January 2011 13:22:32 Luke Bergen wrote:
> Really? =A0I find that I pronounce bite like lojban byit. =A0Maybe a b= etter
> example of yi in english is "site". =A0When I say "site= " out loud in english
> there is absolutely no hint of the lojban "a" sound.
>
> I think that in general english "s[i]te" and "b[uy]&quo= t; are two different and
> distinct diphthongs

When I pronounce them, "site", "bite", and "= buy" all have the same diphthong,
except that the one in "buy" is longer, as in "side" an= d "bide".

Pierre
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