Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph46Z-0001pC-BS; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:52:03 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf3941874wyb.16 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7y7I4hpeQJY72FonVaDjEHYH+fn+MMBNCO6JBw/g+Yg=; b=KpintOQ4dIvZlj6Y6NQpbIbr0O3pCAIA+K4dDIaDjPPEcq9ncuxZ/jmf16uDAEVuCv 2Cp5N/T1Q5tNzhnChfwMRnXQ6WBGLx5eT68jUOPTA5KAR1opBb1Rdr1DmLOnFhJEREqk b4ghQ3vchq/Lu9TtS178X9UQGKHAH+sbp1l8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EVJXiabqYickR/iKzJiIiklBRwSymjFIf4nnEXz7uW/YHK4YXZwFPjwS6u+B1Gtxmv qYUMnngaOjxKxzrAJv2rDd+ruOuWI6SXlfHU92RIZ2HPXn2FXbKz23d6glNC5ezarj2B TzG7ihcNGFg0WU+L96MHAkkhL/FClxvWOD7r4= Received: by 10.217.1.198 with SMTP id n48mr492869wes.19.1295805100681; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.246.74 with SMTP id p52ls1532176wer.1.p; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.165.15 with SMTP id d15mr183560wel.2.1295805099661; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.165.15 with SMTP id d15mr183559wel.2.1295805099649; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4si1246993weq.4.2011.01.23.09.51.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so3285555wyb.16 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.144 with SMTP id z16mr3307635wbi.77.1295805098300; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.142.3 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:51:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:51:38 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] difference between pu'o and ba From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1614 On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I've read the CLL chapter on tenses at least 3 times by now and the inter= val > contours still don't make intuitive sense to me. =A0Could somebody explai= n the > difference between {mi ba citka lo plise} and {mi pu'o citka lo plise}? "mi ba citka lo plise" is a statement about the future, It describes a relationship between you and the apple that will take place in the future. "mi [ca] pu'o citka lo plise" is a statement about the present. It describes the present relationship that exists between you and the apple. In particular, "mi ba citka lo plise" is false if you don't eat the apple in the future, whereas "mi pu'o citka lo plise" may still be true if you are about to eat it but for whatever reason you end up not eating it. > I'm less fuzzy about the point contours like mo'u, co'a, co'i, etc... but > pu'o, ca'o, and ba'o still don't seem very different from regular ba, ca, > and pu respectively. "ba", "ca" and "pu" are tenses, they tell you when some relationship takes place. "pu'o", "ca'o" and "ba'o" are aspects, they tell you which part of an event you are describing: the setup, the thick of it, or its aftermath. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.