Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ph4w5-0001P6-Rr; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:45:17 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf2900508gwb.16 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=i+iFmQd1wN4AEHvdMwX5n+IP5hr2tygU/g4SW53qvPE=; b=NFpEz6neVNszFQpJahU6cJ2Xoj5hFcckVzX/zDGB/vMF8qTTBt1QgaZlwax2/P4Mem VBHKkp5wvA9amjvFoZaosBHx4i+kMRZtoJ8qkTmY50Yvp0JONp3LgLMv3EiJDdz7lCsB ziWDuMPnYOW6DS369XvWIdwcd/qwg5Fw7Nr8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1GQaqFvr21qQZ4M8UBw13SuciyeXsHKDocKIBhgGZFmI8M/IN5tUVrJFo+9c5JR8V2 4J34NZ1Lh82Czr43K0vj8Nx0SoVDr2PIJrIZVolCOrTOO6YOhlVfFisXdz368kUT7LH0 dVymS7qYrXj+8GnYJWPjVCUdJRj4g+jJNfWGU= Received: by 10.151.13.16 with SMTP id q16mr319122ybi.7.1295808296373; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls3795662ibk.3.p; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.9 with SMTP id jk9mr286251icb.95.1295808295576; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.230.9 with SMTP id jk9mr286250icb.95.1295808295559; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si1328970ict.7.2011.01.23.10.44.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.182; Received: by iyb26 with SMTP id 26so3618931iyb.41 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.153.195 with SMTP id l3mr1259716ibw.150.1295808294374; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:44:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] difference between pu'o and ba From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045015f5b154e54049a87e105 Content-Length: 7075 --005045015f5b154e54049a87e105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, I think I'm getting it now. PU tells us when the relation happens. ZAhO tells us which part of the event we are talking about. It seems like ZAhO would have somewhat absurd meaning if applied to bridi like {gerku}. e.g. What does {ta co'u gerku} mean? Sounds like something you might here in a movie trailer: (dramatic voice) "va'o lo nu lo gerku cu xarci se zbasu kei gy co'u gerku gi'e co'a sa'ei .dyn.dyn.dyyyyyyn. me la gerxa'i" oh man. Now I want to make a lojban movie about la gerxa'i, the dog who fights crime with his explosively weaponized body. Please excuse my excessive ADD. On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > I would understand {mi ba citka lo plise} as "I will eat the apple" and {mi > pu'o citka lo plise} as "I'm about to eat the apple" or "I'm yet to eat the > apple". > > In both cases you might eat the apple in the future but the two cases looks > different to me. > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> I've read the CLL chapter on tenses at least 3 times by now and the >> interval contours still don't make intuitive sense to me. Could somebody >> explain the difference between {mi ba citka lo plise} and {mi pu'o citka lo >> plise}? >> >> I'm less fuzzy about the point contours like mo'u, co'a, co'i, etc... but >> pu'o, ca'o, and ba'o still don't seem very different from regular ba, ca, >> and pu respectively. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --005045015f5b154e54049a87e105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I think I'm getting it now. =A0PU tells us when the relation happen= s. =A0ZAhO tells us which part of the event we are talking about. =A0It see= ms like ZAhO would have somewhat absurd meaning if applied to bridi like {g= erku}. =A0e.g. What does {ta co'u gerku} mean?

Sounds like something you might here in a movie trailer: =A0= (dramatic voice) "va'o lo nu lo gerku cu xarci se zbasu kei gy co&= #39;u gerku gi'e co'a sa'ei .dyn.dyn.dyyyyyyn. me la gerxa'= i"

oh man. =A0Now I want to make a lojban movie about la g= erxa'i, the dog who fights crime with his explosively weaponized body.<= /div>

Please excuse my excessive ADD.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I would understand {mi ba citka lo plise} as "I will eat the apple&quo= t; and {mi pu'o citka lo plise} as "I'm about to eat the apple= " or "I'm yet to eat the apple".

In both cases yo= u might eat the apple in the future but the two cases looks different to me= .

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:= 25 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I've read the CLL chapter on tenses at least 3 times by now and the int= erval contours still don't make intuitive sense to me. =A0Could somebod= y explain the difference between {mi ba citka lo plise} and {mi pu'o ci= tka lo plise}?

I'm less fuzzy about the point contours like mo'u, c= o'a, co'i, etc... but pu'o, ca'o, and ba'o still don= 9;t seem very different from regular ba, ca, and pu respectively.

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