I've never been told I had a notable accent, rather I&= #39;ve done lots of acting and public speaking, in many places in New York = and Massachusetts.

Virtually every native American-Engli= sh speaker I know exhibits this pronunciation pattern, with the only possib= le exception being those with "southern" accents. However, I'= ve noticed that the trend is also exhibited in black american english.=C2= =A0

If you say "writer" and "rider" ide= ntically, I'd be interested to know someone who breaks this trend!
<= br>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:57, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gm= ail.com> wrote:

I think you might also be right Ivo. =C2=A0= I pronounce "pipe" as a one syllable word. =C2=A0If I slow my=C2= =A0pronunciation=C2=A0way way down it does come out like p....y....i....p b= ut maybe I'm just shortening the length of the vowel.

The paper had a good way of illustrating this phenomenon. = =C2=A0In "writer" and "rider" the "t" and &qu= ot;d" are reduced to a flap (I think it was a flap) and so the two wor= ds are indistinguishable except that since the "i" of "rider= " is followed by a voiced=C2=A0consonant=C2=A0it exhibits the "ca= nadian raising" effect. =C2=A0I don't know how to describe that ch= ange in sound. =C2=A0What I do know is that the "i" in "writ= er" and "rider" sounds different to me... at least when I sa= y it anyway.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Ivo Doko <= span dir=3D"ltr"><ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23 January 2011 18:04, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I see what you mean now timos about how it's bad idea to talk about=C2= =A0pronunciations=C2=A0in terms of english words. =C2=A0Just because I pron= ounce pie and pipe like {pai} and {pyip} does not mean that all americans d= o the same. =C2=A0In fact, according to the abstract in the paper that Oren= found, I may very well be in the minority.

You are the first person I've ever he= ard of who pronounces "pipe" like [=CB= =88p=C9=99ip]= . If you really do pronounce it like you say you do then what you're sa= ying is a two-syllable word, so are you sure that what you're saying is= not actually [=CB=88p=C9= =99jp] or [=CB=88p=C9=99=CB=90jp]? Neverthele= ss, a schwa in the pronunciation of "pipe" is extremely unusual, = more so because in English schwa is never stressed, and the syllable in &q= uot;pipe" is a stressed syllable. The usual pronunciation of the word = is [=CB=88pajp] or= [=CB=88pa=CB=90<= span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)">= jp].
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