Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Phpyn-0008WT-1a; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:59:16 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf4744451yxn.16 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:59:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GAnDwbEOGOiNA/hH2NCgmB+CtX+G4R0pyQ2pay0ko18=; b=mLbtJ2sN38yE0D6V5YHNpCsLtntxJPCgQLyk/s3lhL4neCB8bYHyoVYOacch+cdAOo 3TO2pfzJk9WWI7dssRttuzsGUdSpA7iyxnbJy0PJJESbv7vQ0fGvhwmQuOKRFxrw8+mR 7xFWZaXt3vIi76F+O2jAG9qEFhut019297Y80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5DAbrk5Ss/GvF6lh3wE/PKqheSTRfHmrVEQTkcCGn5EPAkojazQdNyhmdwdYInrd8p XRhT/DSHJPQmsPukuu5V52nNJo9LIchMVjM/utt/DjkzRM9VInhzDdnuVuMeQNtygFxg xz+8HLNIqoOyrgcGjJ9I8VbgAf+4OUYh+IHps= Received: by 10.100.44.13 with SMTP id r13mr255112anr.4.1295989130017; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls6346946ibi.2.p; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr2481606ibb.1.1295989128772; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.20.68 with SMTP id e4mr2481603ibb.1.1295989128725; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f179.google.com (mail-iy0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si3556453ibq.3.2011.01.25.12.58.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.179; Received: by mail-iy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 19so5874559iye.10 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.172.197 with SMTP id o5mr7301696icz.422.1295989127387; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.172.67 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] [some kind of] conditionals From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8ac6922005049ab1fbb4 Content-Length: 4834 --90e6ba6e8ac6922005049ab1fbb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting. Is there any learning material that brings it up in any detail? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn > wrote: > > I'm sure there's a more precise linguistic term, but I don't know it. > > > > How do you express sentiments like "I *would* go to the store, but I'm > > tired" (so I won't), possibly even omitting the secondary clause and > leaving > > the reason to be inferred. > > > > In a similar vein, how would you express "If I were rich, I'd be happy." > > (English subjunctive mood?) > > > > Actually, If there's a good reference on conditionals, subjunctives, and > > counterfactual statements as they apply to lojban, please point me in > that > > direction. > > > > -- > > Alex R > > > > -- > > Limited though it is, the "da'i" is the marker for subjunctgive, and > counterfactuals. > "va'o da'i lo za'i mi ricfu kei mi gleki" > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8ac6922005049ab1fbb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting.=A0 Is there any learning material that brings it up in any det= ail?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Mi= chael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div class=3D"h5">On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sure there's a more precise linguistic term, but I don'= ;t know it.
>
> How do you express sentiments like "I *would* go to the store, bu= t I'm
> tired" (so I won't), possibly even omitting the secondary cla= use and leaving
> the reason to be inferred.
>
> In a similar vein, how would you express "If I were rich, I'd= be happy."
> (English subjunctive mood?)
>
> Actually, If there's a good reference on conditionals, subjunctive= s, and
> counterfactual statements as they apply to lojban, please point me in = that
> direction.
>
> --
> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R
>
> --

=A0Limited though it is, the "da'i" is the marker for subjun= ctgive, and
counterfactuals.
"va'o da'i lo za'i mi ricfu kei mi gleki"
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

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