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I would also like you to know that I looked up jboske and started reading the wiki. Now my head hurts. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Discursives > CLL, chapter 13, section 12.5-12.6 > --gy > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn > wrote: > > Interesting. Is there any learning material that brings it up in any > > detail? > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn > > >> wrote: > >> > I'm sure there's a more precise linguistic term, but I don't know it. > >> > > >> > How do you express sentiments like "I *would* go to the store, but I'm > >> > tired" (so I won't), possibly even omitting the secondary clause and > >> > leaving > >> > the reason to be inferred. > >> > > >> > In a similar vein, how would you express "If I were rich, I'd be > happy." > >> > (English subjunctive mood?) > >> > > >> > Actually, If there's a good reference on conditionals, subjunctives, > and > >> > counterfactual statements as they apply to lojban, please point me in > >> > that > >> > direction. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Alex R > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> Limited though it is, the "da'i" is the marker for subjunctgive, and > >> counterfactuals. > >> "va'o da'i lo za'i mi ricfu kei mi gleki" > >> --gejyspa > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Alex R > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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I would also like you to know that I looked up jboske and= started reading the wiki.=A0 Now my head hurts.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Sectio= n%3A+Discursives
CLL, chapter 13, section 12.5-12.6
=A0--gy

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting.=A0 Is there any learning material that brings it up in an= y
> detail?
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm sure there's a more precise linguistic term, but = I don't know it.
>> >
>> > How do you express sentiments like "I *would* go to the = store, but I'm
>> > tired" (so I won't), possibly even omitting the seco= ndary clause and
>> > leaving
>> > the reason to be inferred.
>> >
>> > In a similar vein, how would you express "If I were rich= , I'd be happy."
>> > (English subjunctive mood?)
>> >
>> > Actually, If there's a good reference on conditionals, su= bjunctives, and
>> > counterfactual statements as they apply to lojban, please poi= nt me in
>> > that
>> > direction.
>> >
>> > --
>> > =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> =A0Limited though it is, the "da'i" is the marker fo= r subjunctgive, and
>> counterfactuals.
>> "va'o da'i lo za'i mi ricfu kei mi gleki" >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R
>
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