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On Tuesday 25 January 2011 13:28:06 Tom wrote:
> pavdei, reldei, etc... are kinda hard and counterintuitive for portuguese
> speakers (and maybe other languages, I don't know). Monday is
> "segunda-feira" (second) in that language. Sunday is "primeira-feira"
> (first), etc..

I've never heard "primeira-feira", only "domingo". "Domingo" and "s=C3=A1ba=
do"; the=20
rest are numbers. Galician, which some consider to be a different variety o=
f=20
the same language as Portuguese, uses words like "xoves".

Greek numbers the days the same way as Portuguese, except that Friday=20
(sexta-feira) is called not =CE=95=CE=BA=CF=84=CE=B7 but =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=
=CE=B1=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE, which means preparation.=20
Russian calls Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday by arbitrarily modified forms o=
f=20
the words for second, fourth, and fifth respectively (=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=
=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, =D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3,=20
=D0=BF=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0), but Wednesday is =D1=81=D1=80=
=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, which means middle.

On Tuesday 25 January 2011 17:55:18 Lindar wrote:
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it look=
s
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of an=
y
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are
> translated from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of=
 a
> God, and Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former)=
.

I prefer number 4, but I don't think the beginners' list is the right place=
 to=20
vote on this. As to soldei/lurdei/etc., they're all taken from=20
Japanese/Korean; "nichiyobi" and "getsuyobi" happen to mean the same=20
as "Sunday" and "Monday". ("nichi" and "bi" are written with the same kanji=
.)

Pierre
--=20
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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