Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PiBw7-0003eX-4Y; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:58 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf911151vws.16 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OasaN4f2EdQYHMN9LEcc3g+aceEkBqn2XhRanbgWYcs=; b=3JE2zTKqPvYeJUCscYI49hvm4ymlt/TH74fcFuj62z7+rdWB9CLe+coWqMrNfUUrju EMWoF9iFpNG84MUpmfa+nR+tIya9Ol8YaFuLnzM1KvyUBBQ1M+QZwraHgqcuCbEqa1NR NuKs+Fs+XyzbuwWT1axxaftsy391cedHqBp04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Oi4sJfIjmNcsq0W1rm3uEVw7QxDW2+D1/lPDIhT+9Sw/maHoUTkrpcodXBL/4+6+aZ A42ARnp5lxntW2bq8Ta1vKJly3j+qVJEUpLX7ZbfxB42OIYzPYdkYSe8AiVwINql5WET avUoOoS9InNFyDpbhFnn516FxlJz0EK07OQE4= Received: by 10.220.160.149 with SMTP id n21mr518vcx.58.1296073533134; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.74 with SMTP id d10ls119369vcm.5.p; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.187.9 with SMTP id cu9mr13510vcb.12.1296073532176; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.187.9 with SMTP id cu9mr13509vcb.12.1296073532132; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t10si1206679vcc.3.2011.01.26.12.25.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by mail-qy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 29so1452799qyk.4 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.200.138 with SMTP id ew10mr826365qab.44.1296073530658; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.118.212 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:25:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <30650914.755.1296071937581.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prm15> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30050df665d017049ac5a20a Content-Length: 8832 --20cf30050df665d017049ac5a20a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .... or seen a rainbow? On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Lindar wrote: > > (I'm keeping this here because newbies -should- be reading this. There > are > > good lessons to be learned in what I'm saying here.) > > 1. Lujvo don't have to mean EXACTLY the sum of their components and > nothing > > more. {nikyge'u} means like the English equivalent "big fish", for > example. > > {nunkei} doesn't mean 'playing', it means 'a game'. You have to realise > that > > lujvo exist to be more than just short tanru. For all intents and > purposes, > > if we -say- that {pavdei} means "x1 is the first day of week x2" then it > > means that. Oh well. > > 2. {pavmomdei} might be better for that purpose, but it lacks the whole > > day/week/month/year place either way unless we decide to arbitrarily add > it. > > 3. {detri} seems perfect. It has the appropriate places, and we should > use > > it for -something-. {lo seldetri be li pa} is "the first". It doesn't > > specify the week, so we can assume it means "Monday". We could also > simply > > put {pavdetri} because it's the 1 day of ? week of ? month of ? year (cos > we > > didn't specify), which means that it's a Monday. > > 4. Cycling colours? Gejyspa, I hate the colours you picked (because > there's > > no logical order to them). So, Red Yellow Green Cyan Blue Magenta Black ? > > Sounds lovely to me. Primary Secondary Primary Secondary Primary > Secondary > > Black. How you had it was Primary Tertiary Secondary Primary Secondary > > Primary Tertiary, which makes little sense. So, xundei, peldei, ri'odei, > > cicnydei, bladei, nukdei, xekydei. > > xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei > > No, it was in spectral order -- Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan, > Blue, Violet. > > You are thinking additive, whereas I was doing subtractive colors. > I'm sorry, you've never owned a crayon box? > > > Which reminds me, ctino needs to bring up > > eir colour proposal again to the BPFK. I really need to push that > through. > > 5. We're not adding a new gismu that means either of those things. We > have > > {detri} which already has that meaning. Make up a zi'evla if you want to > > have those words and I'll probably end up using them. > > 6. If we're actually going to decide, let's bring it to the BPFK with all > of > > our ideas and ask the jatna for a decision. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30050df665d017049ac5a20a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .... or seen a rainbow?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2= 011 at 3:20 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (I'm keeping this here because newbies -should- be reading this. T= here are
> good lessons to be learned in what I'm saying here.)
> 1. Lujvo don't have to mean EXACTLY the sum of their components an= d nothing
> more. {nikyge'u} means like the English equivalent "big fish&= quot;, for example.
> {nunkei} doesn't mean 'playing', it means 'a game'= . You have to realise that
> lujvo exist to be more than just short tanru. For all intents and purp= oses,
> if we -say- that {pavdei} means "x1 is the first day of week x2&q= uot; then it
> means that. Oh well.
> 2. {pavmomdei} might be better for that purpose, but it lacks the whol= e
> day/week/month/year place either way unless we decide to arbitrarily a= dd it.
> 3. {detri} seems perfect. It has the appropriate places, and we should= use
> it for -something-. {lo seldetri be li pa} is "the first". I= t doesn't
> specify the week, so we can assume it means "Monday". We cou= ld also simply
> put {pavdetri} because it's the 1 day of ? week of ? month of ? ye= ar (cos we
> didn't specify), which means that it's a Monday.
> 4. Cycling colours? Gejyspa, I hate the colours you picked (because th= ere's
> no logical order to them). So, Red Yellow Green Cyan Blue Magenta Blac= k ?
> Sounds lovely to me. Primary Secondary Primary Secondary Primary Secon= dary
> Black. How you had it was Primary Tertiary Secondary Primary Secondary=
> Primary Tertiary, which makes little sense. So, xundei, peldei, ri'= ;odei,
> cicnydei, bladei, nukdei, xekydei.

xundei, najdei, peldei, ri'odje, cicnydei, bladei, zirdei

=A0No, it was in spectral order -- Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan,
Blue, Violet.

=A0You are thinking additive, whereas I was doing subtractive colors.
I'm sorry, you've never owned a crayon box?

> Which reminds me, ctino needs to bring up
> eir colour proposal again to the BPFK. I really need to push that thro= ugh.
> 5. We're not adding a new gismu that means either of those things.= We have
> {detri} which already has that meaning. Make up a zi'evla if you w= ant to
> have those words and I'll probably end up using them.
> 6. If we're actually going to decide, let's bring it to the BP= FK with all of
> our ideas and ask the jatna for a decision.
>
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