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You're right of course, "primeira-feira" doesn't exist, it's "domingo". Don=
't know where my head was.=20
Interesting too to read about these other languages.

--- On Wed, 1/26/11, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 7:06 AM

On Tuesday 25 January 2011 13:28:06 Tom wrote:
> pavdei, reldei, etc... are kinda hard and counterintuitive for portuguese
> speakers (and maybe other languages, I don't know). Monday is
> "segunda-feira" (second) in that language. Sunday is "primeira-feira"
> (first), etc..

I've never heard "primeira-feira", only "domingo". "Domingo" and "s=C3=A1ba=
do"; the=20
rest are numbers. Galician, which some consider to be a different variety o=
f=20
the same language as Portuguese, uses words like "xoves".

Greek numbers the days the same way as Portuguese, except that Friday=20
(sexta-feira) is called not =CE=95=CE=BA=CF=84=CE=B7 but =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=
=CE=B1=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE, which means preparation.=20
Russian calls Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday by arbitrarily modified forms o=
f=20
the words for second, fourth, and fifth respectively (=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=
=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, =D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3,=20
=D0=BF=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0), but Wednesday is =D1=81=D1=80=
=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, which means middle.

On Tuesday 25 January 2011 17:55:18 Lindar wrote:
> 1. Stick to the classic {pavdei} and just deal with the fact that it look=
s
> retarded ('oneday' rather than 'firstday').
> 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.
> 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.
> 4. Use some kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of an=
y
> natural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are
> translated from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of=
 a
> God, and Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the former)=
.

I prefer number 4, but I don't think the beginners' list is the right place=
 to=20
vote on this. As to soldei/lurdei/etc., they're all taken from=20
Japanese/Korean; "nichiyobi" and "getsuyobi" happen to mean the same=20
as "Sunday" and "Monday". ("nichi" and "bi" are written with the same kanji=
.)

Pierre
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">You're right of course, "primeira-feira" does=
n't exist, it's "domingo". Don't know where my head was. <br>Interesting to=
o to read about these other languages.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/26/11, Pierr=
e Abbat <i>&lt;phma@phma.optus.nu&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=
=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left=
: 5px;"><br>From: Pierre Abbat &lt;phma@phma.optus.nu&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [=
lojban-beginners] days of the week<br>To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com=
<br>Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 7:06 AM<br><br><div class=3D"plainMa=
il">On Tuesday 25 January 2011 13:28:06 Tom wrote:<br>&gt; pavdei, reldei, =
etc... are kinda hard and counterintuitive for portuguese<br>&gt; speakers =
(and maybe other languages, I don't know). Monday is<br>&gt; "segunda-feira=
" (second) in that language. Sunday is "primeira-feira"<br>&gt; (first),
 etc..<br><br>I've never heard "primeira-feira", only "domingo". "Domingo" =
and "s=C3=A1bado"; the <br>rest are numbers. Galician, which some consider =
to be a different variety of <br>the same language as Portuguese, uses word=
s like "xoves".<br><br>Greek numbers the days the same way as Portuguese, e=
xcept that Friday <br>(sexta-feira) is called not =CE=95=CE=BA=CF=84=CE=B7 =
but =CE=A0=CE=B1=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=83=CE=BA=CE=B5=CF=85=CE=AE, which means pre=
paration. <br>Russian calls Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday by arbitrarily mo=
dified forms of <br>the words for second, fourth, and fifth respectively (=
=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, =D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=
=D1=80=D0=B3, <br>=D0=BF=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D0=B0), but Wednesda=
y is =D1=81=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B0, which means middle.<br><br>On Tuesday =
25 January 2011 17:55:18 Lindar wrote:<br>&gt; 1. Stick to the classic {pav=
dei} and just deal with the fact that it looks<br>&gt; retarded ('oneday' r=
ather than 'firstday').<br>&gt; 2. Use the more sensible {pavmomdei}.<br>&g=
t; 3. Use {pavdetri} as perhaps a more specific meaning.<br>&gt; 4. Use som=
e
 kind of naming scheme (that is not a direct translation of any<br>&gt; nat=
ural language weekday name. Many of the existing proposals are<br>&gt; tran=
slated from the French/English where they aren't based on the name of a<br>=
&gt; God, and Japanese for those days which couldn't be taken from the form=
er).<br><br>I prefer number 4, but I don't think the beginners' list is the=
 right place to <br>vote on this. As to soldei/lurdei/etc., they're all tak=
en from <br>Japanese/Korean; "nichiyobi" and "getsuyobi" happen to mean the=
 same <br>as "Sunday" and "Monday". ("nichi" and "bi" are written with the =
same kanji.)<br><br>Pierre<br>-- <br>Don't buy a French car in Holland. It =
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