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haha, and it's also a good lesson:

Listen up nintadni because I STILL make this mistake regularly.  se te ve xe
are the "swapping" cmavo.  The rafsi of these cmavo are sel te*r* vel xel
respectively.  meanwhile te*l* is the rafsi for stela.  Do not think that if
you say {teldunda} you are saying {te dunda}, you are in fact saying {stela
zei dunda}.

ta'onai yeah, right on selkik.  I recently made use of cei in a way that I
really kind of NEEDED it.  Upon thinking about it I wondered "if to express
this in lojban I required cei to assign like 3 different bridi to shortcut
variables... how the hell would I have said this in english?!"  And sure
enough, it was not an easy thing at all to say in english.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > haha, then the shell game could get REALLY confusing: da se te'ai ve'ai
> ve
> > ve'ai xe se'ai teldunda de di
>
> Assuming that se'ai flips x2 with x2, doing nothing:
>
> se'ai:
>  da de di zo'e zo'e
> xe:
>  zo'e de di zo'e da
> ve'ai:
>  zo'e zo'e di de da
> ve:
>  de zo'e di zo'e da
> ve'ai:
>  de zo'e di zo'e da
> te'ai:
>  de di zo'e zo'e da
> se:
>  di de zo'e zo'e da
>
> Which following jvajvo means:
>  di gives lock de (which seals something with some locking
> characteristics) to recipient da
>
> Makes sense to me!  I'd like to see some posts like that on la
> lujyjbo!  Probably off-topic here, though, sorry nintadni. ;)  (At
> least it's not more misplaced jbodau!)
>
> mi'e .telselkik. mu'o
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haha, and it&#39;s also a good lesson:<div><br></div><div>Listen up nintadn=
i because I STILL make this mistake regularly. =A0se te ve xe are the &quot=
;swapping&quot; cmavo. =A0The rafsi of these cmavo are sel te<u style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold; ">r</u>=A0vel xel respectively. =A0meanwhile te<u style=3D=
"font-weight: bold; ">l</u>=A0is the rafsi for stela. =A0Do not think that =
if you say {teldunda} you are saying {te dunda}, you are in fact saying {st=
ela zei dunda}.</div>
<div><br></div><div>ta&#39;onai yeah, right on selkik. =A0I recently made u=
se of cei in a way that I really kind of NEEDED it. =A0Upon thinking about =
it I wondered &quot;if to express this in lojban I required cei to assign l=
ike 3 different bridi to shortcut variables... how the hell would I have sa=
id this in english?!&quot; =A0And sure enough, it was not an easy thing at =
all to say in english.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Stela Selck=
iku <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com">selckiku@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Luke Bergen &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; haha, then the shell game could get REALLY con=
fusing: da se te&#39;ai ve&#39;ai ve<br>
&gt; ve&#39;ai xe se&#39;ai teldunda de di<br>
<br>
</div>Assuming that se&#39;ai flips x2 with x2, doing nothing:<br>
<br>
se&#39;ai:<br>
 =A0da de di zo&#39;e zo&#39;e<br>
xe:<br>
 =A0zo&#39;e de di zo&#39;e da<br>
ve&#39;ai:<br>
 =A0zo&#39;e zo&#39;e di de da<br>
ve:<br>
 =A0de zo&#39;e di zo&#39;e da<br>
ve&#39;ai:<br>
 =A0de zo&#39;e di zo&#39;e da<br>
te&#39;ai:<br>
 =A0de di zo&#39;e zo&#39;e da<br>
se:<br>
 =A0di de zo&#39;e zo&#39;e da<br>
<br>
Which following jvajvo means:<br>
 =A0di gives lock de (which seals something with some locking<br>
characteristics) to recipient da<br>
<br>
Makes sense to me! =A0I&#39;d like to see some posts like that on la<br>
lujyjbo! =A0Probably off-topic here, though, sorry nintadni. ;) =A0(At<br>
least it&#39;s not more misplaced jbodau!)<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e .telselkik. mu&#39;o<br>
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