Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PidOL-0007S8-3J; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:53 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf1581967gwb.16 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yCvthcdgBqi/e/XyJvMCt+K/f0i26tG11Rbqli4fvRo=; b=21LC0isVrP3KHnoLWB3sX2d9T4R4X4vUioMTA83BT57X9BAunJ0XMOEIk7FyoiFsdx ljwNg7uLRJnKy7647yh0+kWmY/C09B3uzxWvZcijF4SZjhHK3rEMQniUYPkHCBRdqtkX soNiFPto4tiyKeJ8dxAbiZadxjBO3I6dyuZhU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0fOzvNBx5Uv2shB2FPkIETU4K4CHzDhpNR1X0I3JhrBM8lUf5I22SfGrLUXTJd+uDR 8WRt+WXm7dE/5q1T/C1hdWxWRggmaLk3MNZ0EH2u6bi2xvJQvTr/U6nIRoVJGdOussTd DEWll/fEKMri3RgecxbfSJLq67LYXtpdUDBl4= Received: by 10.90.92.17 with SMTP id p17mr258807agb.18.1296179070952; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls347223ibh.0.p; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.5 with SMTP id jc5mr303929icb.8.1296179069857; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.228.5 with SMTP id jc5mr303928icb.8.1296179069838; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si2279974ict.0.2011.01.27.17.44.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so2847391iwn.31 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.70 with SMTP id bl6mr3172673icb.28.1296179068721; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.220.2 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:43:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:43:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] days of the week To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2200 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, xaujbes cindustus wrote: > > Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday? Your answer, as evidenced by this conversation, is clearly NO. No, no way, absolutely not, and whatever your suggestion is you can't make me. :P Seriously, though, if you're trying to write something in Lojban, your best chance at being understood is the numbers. No one remembers those either, but they can count. :P It could be discouraging, but another way to look at it is as an opportunity. If you want a fully established and decided language, you have thousands of choices with long, unshakable histories. Lojban is one of your very few choices though if you're interested in a language which both (a) has actual speakers using the language every day to talk about things and (b) has lots of basic decisions that haven't been firmly made. A lot of the people here enjoy being part of an unsettled, adolescent language. It's a creative outlet. That's what all this bikeshed painting is about. I think it's fairly harmless. We'll probably decide somehow eventually what weekday system is the standard, and then we'll have something reassuring to tell nintadni. Meanwhile Lojban is accumulating a history, a story, a richness that can't easily be imitated. For instance, I believe what triggered your question was someone using {jaurdei} and {mudydei} to make a joke! Even if having a bunch of competing and abandoned day naming systems isn't practically useful, it's a rich soil for humor, for poetry, for culture. Lojban is one of the few languages in history to begin as a simple conlang and grow up into a real full deep human language, and this seemingly petty conversation is part of that growth. So try not to be too frustrated. :) mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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