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n Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, xaujbes cindustus
> <xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a standard list for sunday through saturday?
>
> Your answer, as evidenced by this conversation, is clearly NO.  No, no
> way, absolutely not, and whatever your suggestion is you can't make
> me. :P  Seriously, though, if you're trying to write something in
> Lojban, your best chance at being understood is the numbers.  No one
> remembers those either, but they can count. :P
>
> It could be discouraging, but another way to look at it is as an
> opportunity.  If you want a fully established and decided language,
> you have thousands of choices with long, unshakable histories.  Lojban
> is one of your very few choices though if you're interested in a
> language which both (a) has actual speakers using the language every
> day to talk about things and (b) has lots of basic decisions that
> haven't been firmly made.  A lot of the people here enjoy being part
> of an unsettled, adolescent language.  It's a creative outlet.  That's
> what all this bikeshed painting is about.
>
> I think it's fairly harmless.  We'll probably decide somehow
> eventually what weekday system is the standard, and then we'll have
> something reassuring to tell nintadni.  Meanwhile Lojban is
> accumulating a history, a story, a richness that can't easily be
> imitated.  For instance, I believe what triggered your question was
> someone using {jaurdei} and {mudydei} to make a joke!  Even if having
> a bunch of competing and abandoned day naming systems isn't
> practically useful, it's a rich soil for humor, for poetry, for
> culture.  Lojban is one of the few languages in history to begin as a
> simple conlang and grow up into a real full deep human language, and
> this seemingly petty conversation is part of that growth.  So try not
> to be too frustrated. :)
>
> mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o
>

I can just imagine, a hundred years from now, some jbove'a tadni will be
learning the (finally decided) names of the weekdays, and one of them will
ask why are they called /that/, and they get this story of the multiple
discussions, debates, suggestions, etc., and then at the end of the story,
"and finally, after all the arguing, the then-president Robin Powell said,
'Okay, this is how it's going to be, all of you shut up:...', and that was
that." zo'o

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">n Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Stela Selckiku <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com">selckiku@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:24 PM, xaujbes cindustus<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.com">xaujbes.cindustus@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; Is there a standard list for sunday through sa=
turday?<br>
<br>
</div>Your answer, as evidenced by this conversation, is clearly NO. =A0No,=
 no<br>
way, absolutely not, and whatever your suggestion is you can&#39;t make<br>
me. :P =A0Seriously, though, if you&#39;re trying to write something in<br>
Lojban, your best chance at being understood is the numbers. =A0No one<br>
remembers those either, but they can count. :P<br>
<br>
It could be discouraging, but another way to look at it is as an<br>
opportunity. =A0If you want a fully established and decided language,<br>
you have thousands of choices with long, unshakable histories. =A0Lojban<br=
>
is one of your very few choices though if you&#39;re interested in a<br>
language which both (a) has actual speakers using the language every<br>
day to talk about things and (b) has lots of basic decisions that<br>
haven&#39;t been firmly made. =A0A lot of the people here enjoy being part<=
br>
of an unsettled, adolescent language. =A0It&#39;s a creative outlet. =A0Tha=
t&#39;s<br>
what all this bikeshed painting is about.<br>
<br>
I think it&#39;s fairly harmless. =A0We&#39;ll probably decide somehow<br>
eventually what weekday system is the standard, and then we&#39;ll have<br>
something reassuring to tell nintadni. =A0Meanwhile Lojban is<br>
accumulating a history, a story, a richness that can&#39;t easily be<br>
imitated. =A0For instance, I believe what triggered your question was<br>
someone using {jaurdei} and {mudydei} to make a joke! =A0Even if having<br>
a bunch of competing and abandoned day naming systems isn&#39;t<br>
practically useful, it&#39;s a rich soil for humor, for poetry, for<br>
culture. =A0Lojban is one of the few languages in history to begin as a<br>
simple conlang and grow up into a real full deep human language, and<br>
this seemingly petty conversation is part of that growth. =A0So try not<br>
to be too frustrated. :)<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la stela selckiku mu&#39;o<br></blockquote></div><br>I can just im=
agine, a hundred years from now, some jbove&#39;a tadni will be learning th=
e (finally decided) names of the weekdays, and one of them will ask why are=
 they called /that/, and they get this story of the multiple discussions, d=
ebates, suggestions, etc., and then at the end of the story, &quot;and fina=
lly, after all the arguing, the then-president Robin Powell said, &#39;Okay=
, this is how it&#39;s going to be, all of you shut up:...&#39;, and that w=
as that.&quot; zo&#39;o<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le=
 bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to=
 the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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