Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjO3P-0000YU-Ba; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:24 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf1998906fxm.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HWaFGZ1xk9IRWgvJvkHxg0mh+9E5J+7mAzL6mvSiKzA=; b=emL0x5hrH41d2/iyFpaYm5OypBgxpU3z0IBbAFGKcSlvsC5LYlUVn0YCxVgUoTwsvu T8s9KSoepzPf9XDP+1mJUE6nLtxHB55Bs81h+t/O5HxQAKMhY886HsdJzDPI0anplUWV 2FNbMNmvvWYzq0lHph2Q4gCmOMEoWk+V5kqqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yj3UW9gqsSokzWlV1VuQwbGJAJZIaIGYIXEYlTy28ImeSkqWNvqALFVWa4uBk4gyGd 6gzWN29/Q9QAC8oU1cvGGQGD2AmhwQKdBjRcbWAkr+NWCR/UMYvzWuESlWCUK5BEMMXn bmX1miZpB7PZwOmmJUF5+FSP77izD+Uh61zCo= Received: by 10.223.83.199 with SMTP id g7mr362921fal.25.1296358441856; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.160.8 with SMTP id l8ls1081040fax.2.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.70.200 with SMTP id e8mr156855faj.4.1296358440698; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.70.200 with SMTP id e8mr156854faj.4.1296358440671; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k4si2229522fax.14.2011.01.29.19.33.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4644534fxm.34 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.208 with SMTP id g16mr4349466fal.52.1296358439515; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.66.220 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:33:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a2c149f56a049b07f8da Content-Length: 8092 --20cf3054a2c149f56a049b07f8da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with { le pa palku }? How would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this construct? { le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long. I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say: { la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant" { la palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one" On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky wrote: > No,. no no. That doesn't work. "le pa pluta" ONLY means "the one > route" "le (or lo) pamoi pluta" is the correct one to use. Don't > forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it > is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 that says > how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'm > writing them down) You can leave them out of course, if context makes > it obvious, which in this case it certainly does. > --gejsypa > > _ > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren wrote: > > da'i let's suppose I was writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of > some > > very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pants I > > was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I might > > refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I > might > > say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my "third" pair > of > > pants. > > da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use { pa mai } for "first" because it > > may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i > mention > > in my diary. Would it make sense to just say > > { le pa pluta } "That first route; Route 1" > > { le re pluta } "That second/other route; Route 2" > > { le pa palku } "Those first pants; Pants 1" > > { le re palku } "Those second/other pants; Pants 2" > > ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? 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Hm. Well is there anything grammatically wrong with =A0{ l= e pa palku }? How would you interpret it? Is there any other use for this c= onstruct?

=A0{ le pa moi palku } just seems a bit long.<= div>

I guess to be explicitly naming, I could say:

{ la papalku } "(My pants named) one-pant"
{ l= a palkupa } "(My pants named) pant-one"

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 21:56, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
=A0No,. no no. =A0That doesn't work. =A0"le pa pluta" ONLY m= eans "the one
route" =A0"le (or lo) =A0pamoi pluta" is the correct one to = use. =A0Don't
forget that moi contains within it an x2 that says exactly what set it
is the nth of (e.g."the stuff I'm writing down") and an x3 th= at says
how you are ordering it (e.g. "chronologically by the time/date I'= m
writing them down) =A0You can leave them out of course, if context makes it obvious, which in this case it certainly does.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejsypa

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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> da'i let's suppose I w= as writing a diary in lojban, and kept track of some
> very mundane things, like what route I took to the store, or what pant= s I
> was wearing. Some of these may have a chronological sequence that I mi= ght
> refer to and internally keep track of my routes/pants. In english, I m= ight
> say I took "the first route" to the store, while wearing my = "third" pair of
> pants.
> da'isa'u let's say I don't want to use =A0{ pa mai } f= or "first" because it
> may not actually be first chronologically, but only the first that i m= ention
> in my diary. Would it make sense to just say
> { le pa pluta }=A0"That first route; Route 1"
> { le re pluta }=A0"That second/other route; Route 2"
> { le pa palku }=A0"Those first pants; Pants 1"
> { le re palku }=A0"Those second/other pants; Pants 2"
> ... which la/le/lo/li should I use for this? Is there a better way? >
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