Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjQiV-0005FW-33; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:25:01 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf2860155yxn.16 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uoqh0ISF2/GPJKi4iyZc9dRUu6sAPHC8STru1nZ+npA=; b=chmPuRO60eDJ/1jd34/W4t4IxP0jFKUuQZUERtSC0FGALJxW9pY9ljLFj44P0s7/WX 27UO2u6ZItW9HL5VAO57/ziS7/lzSGbQvcd2g4IYx4Xy53xX5MMW5hGJgJOKEySP3Dp1 DbtOU6mHng+p97dfeb8ClhyGRuP662GAG1fWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ggM4VxeSuSlQ+RwF5I79tyTKhzY1z+z/FfcimXXAKBh8gp5TMhkLaVwsAlE0MS/IKr zvATNiC0qtx+KNhPUW6Ke8apDqr9X7TmIVJKR3nVOgCervlbP+YnVyX6Q8WBIki6JeEG KqWNSvuiKEkoEytjhMByzh96YYJMYEEQz/Psw= Received: by 10.147.170.19 with SMTP id x19mr336504yao.13.1296368677112; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls4424561ibb.1.p; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr2288884ibb.3.1296368676355; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr2288883ibb.3.1296368676286; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si4701409ibb.5.2011.01.29.22.24.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so4580732iwn.6 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.206 with SMTP id fv14mr4940076ibb.75.1296368675075; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.148 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7098699.2072.1296363137187.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prig8> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] preti: sequential naming for long-term reference From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc2326036bf049b0a5a52 Content-Length: 10763 --90e6ba4fc2326036bf049b0a5a52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 whatever floats your boat. I was just surprised to see you jump at a different idea when your original text was SO close to the right thing ({lo pamoi palku} instead of {lo pa palku}). On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Oren wrote: > I'm applying lojban to an automated record-keeping task. For my particular > use case, i'm interested in keeping name/sumti-position information in a > unified, brief format for consistent parsing, and bundling all the > functional information in the full bridi. I guess it's an aesthetic decision > in the end, but it seems appropriate for this use case. > > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:12, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> In what way is "lo mi tuple cu dasni lo pamoi" more brief than "mi dasni >> lo pamoi palku"? >> >> They're both equally valid. I'm just curious since you said earlier that >> you were going for brevity. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Oren wrote: >> >>> { mi klama fo le pa moi ku } >>> or just >>> { mi klama fo le pamoi } >>> >>> mmm. I like that solution. For pants I could do: >>> >>> { lo mi tuple ku cu dasni lo pa moi ku } >>> or just >>> { lo mi tuple cu dasni lo pamoi } >>> >>> beautiful. ki'ecai >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:52, Lindar wrote: >>> >>>> If you want to be -extremely- brief, you could say {le pamoi ku}. One >>>> can glean from context what it could be in the case of {klama fo le pamoi} >>>> or somesuch. >>>> However, that's the most brief you'll be able to get, unless I've missed >>>> something. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Oren Robinson >>> (315) 569-2888 >>> 102 Morrison Ave >>> Somerville, MA 02144 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Oren Robinson > (315) 569-2888 > 102 Morrison Ave > Somerville, MA 02144 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba4fc2326036bf049b0a5a52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable whatever floats your boat. =A0I was just surprised to see you jump at a dif= ferent idea when your original text was SO close to the right thing ({lo pa= moi palku} instead of {lo pa palku}).

On = Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm applying lojban to= an automated record-keeping task. For my particular use case, i'm inte= rested in keeping name/sumti-position information in a unified, brief forma= t for consistent parsing, and bundling all the functional information in th= e full bridi. I guess it's an aesthetic decision in the end, but it see= ms appropriate for this use case.


On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 01:12, Luke Bergen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
In what way is "lo mi tuple cu dasni lo pamoi" more brief than &q= uot;mi dasni lo pamoi palku"?

They're both equa= lly valid. =A0I'm just curious since you said earlier that you were goi= ng for brevity.


On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Oren <ge= t.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
{ mi klama fo le pa moi ku }=A0
or just
{ mi klama fo le pamoi }

mmm. I like that soluti= on. For pants I could do:

{ lo mi tuple ku cu dasni lo pa moi k= u }
or just
{ lo mi tuple cu dasni lo pamoi }

beautiful. ki'ecai

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:52, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com&g= t; wrote:
If you want to be -extremely- brief, you cou= ld say {le pamoi ku}. One can glean from context what it could be in the ca= se of {klama fo le pamoi} or somesuch.
However, that's the most brief you'll be able to get, unless I'= ve missed something.

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