Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PjwRA-0005WK-48; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:17:11 -0800 Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38sf12946011qyl.16 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:17:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vV3iCrNDp+4GIaSiPdWbFHX87SQq5XBA0+ZV62xG6es=; b=C+v3g2g7Unlbhv0J5VDNbLsop/B90JAqGTt33j3yG6LF+2BN0bSAHK6WGF+LUO5Zix aeFfi7Ke2KboP/X7KO/iN3T/Uy+dsZVGo871Gd/jZXrSi1o4/8oH9XH8MMeoU83mUrNT QZRyyWHcainnf4+trISGvxyL0hxYuldUZxbR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Byfyu5cTnwHIzlgDucXVqrhdm0/IAUtmxWSQmQXRj+Zj2I06oGH2aNzmPgdjfeHwiV MqgybXmtiuGPskIt27zE7sQ4R9v+nEgHEhKRe5Whsbcfhg4+H7wSWODAgSrn9KrBoOhK CQ80M3evefjzV//zbK667tzt29fDyb4PnBDTU= Received: by 10.224.67.138 with SMTP id r10mr340153qai.47.1296490611250; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:16:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.196.195 with SMTP id eh3ls957670qab.1.p; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.19.196 with SMTP id c4mr575701qab.26.1296490609674; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:16:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.177.195 with SMTP id bj3mr353208vcb.44.1296487801035; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by p16g2000vbo.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:29:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <14164513.1846.1296353008177.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> X-IP: 70.49.36.48 References: <14164513.1846.1296353008177.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <3c9493ad-d152-4874-9a8d-48bda856f92f@p16g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Complicated parallelism question From: Hussell To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: jeremyhussell@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1461 On Jan 29, 9:03=A0pm, Lindar wrote: > While that certainly parses, I'm not exactly sure that it means what you > want it to. I'd recommend you double-check that. Well, I double-checked, and I still think it means what I think it means. Could you be a little more specific about your objection, instead of spreading FUD? If one person is unclear about how this construct works, then it's likely a bunch more lurkers are too, so: my understanding is {mi cilre fi la loglan e ba bo la lojban} means the same as {mi cilre fi la loglan i je ba bo mi cilre fi la lojban}, and in both cases lojban is learned about *after* loglan is learned about. Another way to say the same thing is {mi cilre fi la loglan gi'e ba bo cilre fi la lojban}. There is no way to combine a tense and a logical connective in forethought form, although they can be expressed separately as {mi cilre fi ba gi la loglan gi la lojban} and {mi cilre fi ge la loglan gi la lojban}. There's also no way to express an afterthought tense *without* a logical connective, except between sentences. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.