Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pjwas-0001Re-Br; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:27:15 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf3266863vws.16 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:27:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rglrwgCsoWY+6/1sJV5mICx1yp3KDxWL7PgAlhEkFZk=; b=nvwL9hU1uDjcv2l4xmBXbqLTmwhCt7OqtkBwTjpuffJ8UvUXG/n65gB+2kxHFvkGFq lq7nDMVTiEB1ye7dwMJhh4yA8AhG7LIV8wHTTcjH2MXvpWXuuZfz1bPz9hrPjlTUR4mH rz6ukaw2hnENHzQUPZX+bbp0vXGNTRfpREnkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bb1uLMTirZ2qm1Bbi6HOv+uUIOXMLALs7qJqCztfg9FR4Fc/ZP8+qeos7sSkCq93F/ BioQY9YGzFtX1Sy/MGBFV5C9dCPp27cFRPcexMBzFxK+5jPoMsT5T75kcLNfwjb2Oq6I /RlkjnkjJdHGHjhykrI8BGa1RFdfxYSUGtw3Q= Received: by 10.220.186.7 with SMTP id cq7mr355544vcb.23.1296491212990; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.161.1 with SMTP id p1ls646286vcx.4.p; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.46.148 with SMTP id j20mr1102298vcf.27.1296491210919; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.46.148 with SMTP id j20mr1102297vcf.27.1296491210892; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f51.google.com (mail-qw0-f51.google.com [209.85.216.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x13si1075170vcr.7.2011.01.31.08.26.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.51; Received: by mail-qw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 5so5801401qwg.38 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.235.147 with SMTP id kg19mr4202921qcb.61.1296491209528; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:26:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3c9493ad-d152-4874-9a8d-48bda856f92f@p16g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> References: <14164513.1846.1296353008177.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <3c9493ad-d152-4874-9a8d-48bda856f92f@p16g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Complicated parallelism question From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1756 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Hussell wrote: > On Jan 29, 9:03=A0pm, Lindar wrote: >> While that certainly parses, I'm not exactly sure that it means what you >> want it to. I'd recommend you double-check that. > > Well, I double-checked, and I still think it means what I think it > means. Could you be a little more specific about your objection, > instead of spreading FUD? > > If one person is unclear about how this construct works, then it's > likely a bunch more lurkers are too, so: my understanding is {mi cilre > fi la loglan e ba bo la lojban} means the same as {mi cilre fi la > loglan i je ba bo mi cilre fi la lojban}, and in both cases lojban is > learned about *after* loglan is learned about. Another way to say the > same thing is {mi cilre fi la loglan gi'e ba bo cilre fi la lojban}. > There is no way to combine a tense and a logical connective in > forethought form, although they can be expressed separately as {mi > cilre fi ba gi la loglan gi la lojban} and {mi cilre fi ge la loglan > gi la lojban}. There's also no way to express an afterthought tense > *without* a logical connective, except between sentences. > Hussell is correct. See CLL, Chapter 10, section 17 (example 17.6) It is definitely an obscure part of the grammar, but certainly useful. Thank you, Hussell. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.