Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ploz1-0005H0-VL; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:55 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1703202vws.16 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=hQGqBqOOZ1UMTzzmDZalwUXTm62fJ6H269gWrGYpnrM=; b=jDELvGnqaPriWrhRN9rJpCMYKOYwSI0plU/Jz10YTpoqEABj7bQ/3/g0lfMHRkWT5Y Arsf1gi2hcpBRrRhJ2vw+1KTTlma+iCUuO1iIpPg8KLA4VsEOpJFeVbZgugxEvjHBY0t Y43D7xEu+pRZqlzoEddsAV8z6N5Y5ncL7IF2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=5lOQMi9Aj2KGDunWNCMK4aV4FEkI8kWDdvrOTnTUm+aRrCiTdUucyl9Vr1FA6dUpKI eiw8madTOnJJ7y3QhMIprMW4NOLm7kGivkQsCSn90w8ehEXtcS5MlSBSwXxqdBwZpNiN XMJQjFYlqHQ41M4krpem9qZvyI/a/xfLPUDqs= Received: by 10.220.193.205 with SMTP id dv13mr895759vcb.53.1296938614583; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.53.80 with SMTP id l16ls369273vcg.4.p; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.199.13 with SMTP id eq13mr3572848vcb.14.1296938613281; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.199.13 with SMTP id eq13mr3572847vcb.14.1296938613249; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t10si292692vcc.11.2011.02.05.12.43.32; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=w1WxOCyEys8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=MDLJmcAFHTXUCViFP_MA:9 a=jIXG3_t8Ov7cUloLHfGFoUY606cA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:40437] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FA/8E-07087-376BD4D4; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:43:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7212B13FA9 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Friends will be friends Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:43:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110205201058.GC61729@alice.local> In-Reply-To: <20110205201058.GC61729@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102051543.28549.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1371 On Saturday 05 February 2011 15:10:58 .alyn.post. wrote: > For some time, I've wanted to translate the following phrase: > > my flesh has cooled the fire. > my flesh has warmed the iron. > > I haven't quite figured it out yet, and I'm wondering if ca'a is one > of the clues I've needed. I get this far, using ca'a: > > lo mi skapi pu ca'a lenku {...} lo fagri > > I'm not sure whether I want {lenku} or {dunja}, and I'm not sure how > to make sentences like the above, which I perceive as having two > predicate relationships, work. That's the {...} in the above. {lo > fagri} is not the x2 place of lenku, so I have to mark an extra > place. My closest guess is to use a BAI cmavo, but I'm just not sure. > > Will someone give me a clue here? I would say "le mi rectu pu lekri'a le fagri .i le mi rectu pu glari'a le tirse", but I don't understand the sentence; it sounds like an idiom. What does it mean? Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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