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On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 03:43:27PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Saturday 05 February 2011 15:10:58 .alyn.post. wrote:
> > For some time, I've wanted to translate the following phrase:
> >
> >   my flesh has cooled the fire.
> >   my flesh has warmed the iron.
> >
> > I haven't quite figured it out yet, and I'm wondering if ca'a is one
> > of the clues I've needed.  I get this far, using ca'a:
> >
> >   lo mi skapi pu ca'a lenku {...} lo fagri
> >
> > I'm not sure whether I want {lenku} or {dunja}, and I'm not sure how
> > to make sentences like the above, which I perceive as having two
> > predicate relationships, work.  That's the {...} in the above.  {lo
> > fagri} is not the x2 place of lenku, so I have to mark an extra
> > place.  My closest guess is to use a BAI cmavo, but I'm just not sure.
> >
> > Will someone give me a clue here?
> 
> I would say "le mi rectu pu lekri'a le fagri .i le mi rectu pu glari'a le 
> tirse", but I don't understand the sentence; it sounds like an idiom. What 
> does it mean?
> 
> Pierre

It's a reference to branding[1], wherein the strike cools the heated
iron, and holding the instrument brings the temperature of the tool
up to human body temperature.

It is idiomatic in that these things only tenuously relate to each
other, in that the first clause is performed by the person being
branded and the second clause is performed by the person branding,
but it does have a literal interpretation, even if that literal
statement isn't obvious.

It's why I used skapi rather than rectu, as branding affects one's
epidermis more than one's muscle.

-Alan

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarification
-- 
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