Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PmXcA-0005XV-Q3; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:23:19 -0800 Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34sf1371912vxc.16 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:23:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SAfaeZrYMIhMOvw1j0XC0rXTa+hK1EzAQMumWYO1aj0=; b=HzjVvjEZcnEQ2A+UX3y8Ep4U7cP86UhwRsDHgi1EqYMzqGKJOccIpadhkXLnNJiGYs S8EAr2Aglm/76vK8RvDWr5LPRLR7pr5LIOBw7RcgP5U92g1ahnJ6PNe0iAos4TCp4X45 Ng8jwSPnwaCQdjUuQvXMcVKgm5JB6Cgz275lg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dqRDfNArcyZ7PXngKHQyvilvCtnAWhghTAl+hll3bpLaXlSVinz0xakbnjbcImWVmM xY4nEsto1orGAwlyM+NVa8T+WG1SD4tegn8+6ZBdRDHtZ260Zi6GzLrzKKSRt2BVfWej 5xHluVwHr42LXvztSS4zHXDgkuHFALOZ4Jfm8= Received: by 10.220.193.205 with SMTP id dv13mr1035027vcb.53.1297110177199; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.67.30 with SMTP id p30ls928931vci.3.p; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.130 with SMTP id fe2mr3694576vcb.11.1297110175480; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.130 with SMTP id fe2mr3694574vcb.11.1297110175370; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f175.google.com ([209.85.220.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m31si585473vcr.9.2011.02.07.12.22.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.175; Received: by vxa37 with SMTP id 37so1728837vxa.34 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.187.77 with SMTP id cv13mr4429096vcb.143.1297110173360; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.202.12 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102050750.43795.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110205170157.GA61729@alice.local> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Here" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e6ff7191e28e1049bb6ffc0 Content-Length: 10064 --e0cb4e6ff7191e28e1049bb6ffc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dunno. "ko klama ti" works just fine with my dogs. They also understand "ko klama fi ti" (=ko cliva). --gejyspa On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > .i ki'u zi'o go'i > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> .i ki'u ma lo prenu na ka'e se klama .i e'u lu ko klama mi li'u >> >> mu'o mi'e .latros. >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:01 AM, .alyn.post. < >>> alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 03:15:15PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote: >>>> > On Saturday, February 5, 2011, Pierre Abbat >>>> wrote: >>>> > > On Saturday 05 February 2011 07:15:16 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >>>> > >> Is it reasonable to imply "here" with {zvati}? e.g. {mi zvati} for >>>> "I'm >>>> > >> here". Is it much better to use {bu'u} somehow? >>>> > > >>>> > > It can be implicit, but to be explicit I'd say "mi zvati ti". "mi >>>> bu'u zvati" >>>> > > means "I am where I am" >>>> > >>>> > I would say {bu'uku mi zvati} for "Here I am!" >>>> > >>>> > remod >>>> > >>>> >>>> I spent a fair bit of time speaking in Lojban to my nearest >>>> available 1 year old, and one phrase I hadn't quite figured >>>> out is "come here!" >>>> >>>> I gather that I could say: "ko bu'umi zvati" >>>> >>>> Good? Is there something better? I think I've been hung up >>>> on this one by the short and imperative nature of the English >>>> statement. >>>> >>>> -Alan >>>> -- >>>> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi >>> >>> >>> "Come here!"? {ko klama ti}, of course. ;) >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 I dunno.=A0 "ko klama ti" works just fine wi= th my dogs.=A0 They also understand "ko klama fi ti" (=3Dko cliva= ).
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

= On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
.i ki'u zi= 9;o go'i


On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com= > wrote:
.i ki'u ma lo prenu na ka'e se klama .i e'u lu ko klama mi li&#= 39;u

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonu= s@gmail.com> wrote:
=
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:0= 1 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 03:15:15PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote:
> On Saturday, February 5, 2011, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > On Saturday 05 February 2011 07:15:16 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> >> Is it reasonable to imply "here" with {zvati}? =A0e= .g. {mi zvati} for "I'm
> >> here". =A0Is it much better to use {bu'u} somehow? > >
> > It can be implicit, but to be explicit I'd say "mi zvati= ti". "mi bu'u zvati"
> > means "I am where I am"
>
> I would say {bu'uku mi zvati} for "Here I am!"
>
> remod
>

I spent a fair bit of time speaking in Lojban to my nearest
available 1 year old, and one phrase I hadn't quite figured
out is "come here!"

I gather that I could say: "ko bu'umi zvati"

Good? =A0Is there something better? =A0I think I've been hung up
on this one by the short and imperative nature of the English
statement.

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

"Come he= re!"? {ko klama ti}, of course. ;)

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cm= ima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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