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From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636284618cbadef049bdf230f Content-Length: 11564 --001636284618cbadef049bdf230f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > No, that's why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of the > job. > > I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally" > given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... that we have > at our disposal. > > .... > > and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something like, {mi se > jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}. > > Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi ca na citka" > without having to break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai citka" > do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a puze'unai se > jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-time do not] have job". Although I get the > feeling like I've done something very wrong here. > > Yes. Say "mi mo'u citka" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you can certainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I went with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really nothing more than an intensifier, something that UI do well. --gejyspa > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo >> jibri" is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri). >> Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the >> English "finally" in that sentence really means "ba lo nu zu co'e", which is >> just too much of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri >> cu mulno" might be better. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> I'd probably use {za'o}. {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri} >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> How to translate finally, as in "I finally got the job!"? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>> patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmai= l.com> wrote:
No, that's why I chose the m= algli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of the job. =A0=20

I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express = "finally" given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals,= etc... that we have at our disposal.

....

and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something l= ike, {mi se jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}= .

Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi c= a na citka" without having to break it out into a new bridi? =A0Would = "mi pu canai citka" do what I want it to here? =A0If so, you coul= d say {mi co'a puze'unai se jibri} "I [start] & [past-long= -time do not] have job". =A0Although I get the feeling like I've d= one something very wrong here.
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=A0 Yes.=A0 Say "mi mo'u citka"=A0 :-)=A0 And no, you ca= n't -nai ZEhA.=A0 Yes, you can certainly say "mi mo'u na se ji= bri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I went with a UI for = "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really nothin= g more than an intensifier, something that UI do well.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (A= nd "cpacu lo jibri" is malglico, anyhow.=A0 Use seljibri).
=A0 Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo.=A0 The big proble= m is that the English "finally" in that sentence really means &qu= ot;ba lo nu zu co'e", which is just too much of a mouthful.=A0 Rec= asting as=A0"lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri cu mulno" mig= ht be better.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd probably use {za'o}.= =A0{mi za'o cpacu lo jibri}=20


On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
How to translate finally, as in = "I finally got the job!"?

--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
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