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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045015e780b50cd049be152b2 Content-Length: 14316 --005045015e780b50cd049be152b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> No, that's why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of >> the job. >> >> I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally" >> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... that we have >> at our disposal. >> >> .... >> >> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something like, {mi se >> jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}. >> >> Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi ca na citka" >> without having to break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai citka" >> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a puze'unai se >> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-time do not] have job". Although I get the >> feeling like I've done something very wrong here. >> >> > Yes. Say "mi mo'u citka" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you > can certainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I went > with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really nothing > more than an intensifier, something that UI do well. > --gejyspa > I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a long time, typically involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or aggravating expressive use. On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> >>> No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo >>> jibri" is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri). >>> Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the >>> English "finally" in that sentence really means "ba lo nu zu co'e", which is >>> just too much of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri >>> cu mulno" might be better. >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri} >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> How to translate finally, as in "I finally got the job!"? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>>> patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturnians= ky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM= , Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
No, that's wh= y I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of the job. =A0=20

I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express = "finally" given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals,= etc... that we have at our disposal.

....

and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something l= ike, {mi se jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}= .

Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi c= a na citka" without having to break it out into a new bridi? =A0Would = "mi pu canai citka" do what I want it to here? =A0If so, you coul= d say {mi co'a puze'unai se jibri} "I [start] & [past-long= -time do not] have job". =A0Although I get the feeling like I've d= one something very wrong here.
=A0
=A0 Yes.=A0 Say "mi mo'u citka"=A0 :-)=A0 And no, = you can't -nai ZEhA.=A0 Yes, you can certainly say "mi mo'u na= se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I went with a U= I for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really = nothing more than an intensifier, something that UI do well.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the &q= uot;after a long time, typically involving difficulty or delay" use, n= ot in the exasperated or aggravating expressive use.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (A= nd "cpacu lo jibri" is malglico, anyhow.=A0 Use seljibri).
=A0 Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo.=A0 The big proble= m is that the English "finally" in that sentence really means &qu= ot;ba lo nu zu co'e", which is just too much of a mouthful.=A0 Rec= asting as=A0"lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri cu mulno" mig= ht be better.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


=A0
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd probably = use {za'o}. =A0{mi za'o cpacu lo jibri}=20


On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
How to translate = finally, as in "I finally got the job!"?

-- =
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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
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