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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6959913136049be37c2d Content-Length: 18681 --0022152d6959913136049be37c2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How about this? {baze'u lonu sisku ku mi co'a se jibri} On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I'm beginning to think that there are fundamentally two separate claims. > > 1) mi co'a se jibri > 2) mi puze'u sisku lo za'i mi se jibri > > Either these two need to be seperate bridi or you need to restate one of > them in terms of the other like gejyspa did. > mi puze'umo'u sisku lo jibri > On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > >> > >>> No, that's why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of > >>> the job. > >>> > >>> I'd be amazed if there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally" > >>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... that we > have > >>> at our disposal. > >>> > >>> .... > >>> > >>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... It's something like, {mi > se > >>> jibri}, but I {co'a se jibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}. > >>> > >>> Is it possible to say something like "mi pu citka .iku'i mi ca na > citka" > >>> without having to break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai > citka" > >>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a puze'unai se > >>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-time do not] have job". Although I get > the > >>> feeling like I've done something very wrong here. > >>> > >>> > >> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citka" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you > >> can certainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se jibri", but I > went > >> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence, it's really > nothing > >> more than an intensifier, something that UI do well. > >> --gejyspa > >> > > > > I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a long time, > typically > > involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or aggravating > > expressive use. > > > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: > >>> > >>>> No, that's more "I am still holding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo > >>>> jibri" is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri). > >>>> Personally, I'd use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the > >>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means "ba lo nu zu co'e", > which is > >>>> just too much of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo > jibri > >>>> cu mulno" might be better. > >>>> --gejyspa > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen >wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri} > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones >wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> How to translate finally, as in "I finally got the job!"? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi > >>>>>> patfu do zo'o > >>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do > > zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0022152d6959913136049be37c2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about this?
{baze'u lonu sisku ku mi co'a se jibri}

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail= .com> wrote:

I'm beginn= ing to think that there are fundamentally two separate claims.=A0

1) mi co'a se jibri
2) mi puze'u sisku lo za'i mi se jibri

Either these two need to be seperate bridi or you need to restate one of= them in terms of the other like gejyspa did.
mi puze'umo'u sisku lo jibri

On Feb 9, 2011 5:52 PM, "Jonathan Jones&quo= t; <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:1= 6 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, L= uke Bergen <l= ukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, that= 9;s why I chose the malgli form of {cpacu} to show initiation of
>>> the job.
>>>
>>> I'd be amazed if = there weren't some quick easy way to express "finally"
>= ;>> given the absurd number of tenses, contours, intervals, etc... th= at we have
>>> at our disposal.
>>>
>>> ....
>&= gt;>
>>> and yet, I can't think of what it would be... I= t's something like, {mi se
>>> jibri}, but I {co'a se j= ibri} and {pu ze'u na se jibri}.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to say something like "mi = pu citka .iku'i mi ca na citka"
>>> without having to = break it out into a new bridi? Would "mi pu canai citka"
>>> do what I want it to here? If so, you could say {mi co'a = puze'unai se
>>> jibri} "I [start] & [past-long-ti= me do not] have job". Although I get the
>>> feeling like= I've done something very wrong here.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes. Say "mi mo'u citk= a" :-) And no, you can't -nai ZEhA. Yes, you
>> can ce= rtainly say "mi mo'u na se jibri" or "mi ba'o na se = jibri", but I went
>> with a UI for "finally" because to me, in that sentence,= it's really nothing
>> more than an intensifier, something th= at UI do well.
>> --gejyspa
>>
>
> I was specifically meaning "finally" as in the "after a= long time, typically
> involving difficulty or delay" use, not in the exasperated or agg= ravating
> expressive use.
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at = 2:10 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, that's more "I am still ho= lding onto the job" (And "cpacu lo
>>>> jibri"= ; is malglico, anyhow. Use seljibri).
>>>> Personally, I&= #39;d use a UI like u'a or uo. The big problem is that the
>>>> English "finally" in that sentence really means = "ba lo nu zu co'e", which is
>>>> just too muc= h of a mouthful. Recasting as "lo pu'u mi sisku tu'a lo jibri=
>>>> cu mulno" might be better.
>>>> = --gejyspa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd probably use {za'o}. = {mi za'o cpacu lo jibri}
>>>>>
>>>>>= ;
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Jones &l= t;
eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How to translate finally, = as in "I finally got the job!"?
>>>>>>
&g= t;>>>>> --
>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .ai= onys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko = cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi
>>>>&g= t;> patfu do zo'o
>>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side!= Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>>>>
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lojban-beginners@= googlegroups.com
>>>>>> .
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>>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroup= s.com.
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group a= t
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-b= eginners?hl=3Den.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
> --
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu = .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luk= e, I am your father. :D )
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