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contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555f4b2163237049bf653ed Content-Length: 10427 --00032555f4b2163237049bf653ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scope: {mi cusku lo cusku ja sisku lo sisku} [1(2*[cusku1 (say-er(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3*cusku* *say-i= ng* =BB3 (4*[cusku2 (said thing(s)) :] **lo* *any/some* (5*cusku* *say-er(s)* *= ja* *and/or* *sisku* *search-er(s)*)5)4 (6*[cusku3 (audience) :] **lo* *any/som= e * *sisku* *search-er(s)*)6]1 cusku x1 =3D {mi} cusku x2 =3D {lo cusku ja sisku} cusku x3 =3D {lo sisku} {mi cusku lo cusku gi'a sisku lo sisku} [1(2*[cusku1 (say-er(s)) , sisku1 (search-er(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3*cusku* *say-ing*=BB3 (4*[cusku2 (said thing(s)) :] **lo* *any/s= ome* *cusku* *say-er(s)*)4 *gi'a* *and/or* =AB5*sisku* *search-ing*=BB5 (6*[sisk= u2 (sought property(ies)) :] **lo* *any/some* *sisku* *search-er(s)*)6]1 cusku x1 =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi} cusku x2 =3D {lo cusku} cusku x3 =3D {zo'e} sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku} {mi cusku ja sisku lo sisku} [1(2*[sisku1 (search-er(s)) , cusku1 (say-er(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3(4*cusku* *say-ing* *ja* *and/or* *sisku* *search-ing*)4=BB3 (5*= [sisku2 (sought property(ies)) , cusku2 (said thing(s)) :] **lo* *any/some* *sisku* *search-er(s)*)5]1 cusku x1 =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi} cusku x2 =3D sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku} {mi cusku gi'a sisku lo sisku} [1(2*[cusku1 (say-er(s)) , sisku1 (search-er(s)) :] **mi* *I, me*)2 *[is, does]* =AB3*cusku* *say-ing*=BB3 *gi'a* *and/or* =AB4*sisku* *search-ing*= =BB4 (5*[sisku2 (sought property(ies)) :] **lo* *any/some* *sisku* *search-er(s)*)5]1 cusku x1 =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi} cusku x2 =3D {zo'e} sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku} On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Lindar wrote: > Didn't catch that because it's a weird construction. > > What is the actual meaning of {mi broda je brode} and how does it differ > from {mi broda gi'e brode}? Obviously it has to have a different meaning > because of place structure defaults and tanru-ness, but what is this I do= n't > even ^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --00032555f4b2163237049bf653ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scope:

{mi cusku lo cusku ja sisku lo sisku}

[1(2= [cusku1 (say-er(s)) :] mi I, me)2 [is, does] =AB3cusku say-ing=BB3 (= 4[cusku2 (said thin= g(s)) :] lo any/some (5cusku say-er(s) ja and/or sisku search-er(s))5)4 (6[cusku3 (audience) :] lo any/some sisku search-er(s))6]1
cusku x1 =3D {mi}
cusku x2 =3D {lo= cusku ja sisku}
cusku x3 =3D {lo sisku}

{mi cusku lo cusku gi= 9;a sisku lo sisku}

[1(2[cusku1 (say-er(s)) , sisku1 (search-er(s)) :] mi I, me)2 [is, does] =AB3cusku say-ing=BB3 (= 4[cusku2 (said thin= g(s)) :] lo any/some cusku say-er(s))4 <= strong class=3D"lojban">gi'a and/or =AB5sisku search-ing=BB5 (6[sisku2 (sought= property(ies)) :] lo any/some sisku search-er(s))6]1
cusku x1 =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi}
cus= ku x2 =3D {lo cusku}
cusku x3 =3D {zo'e}
sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku}<= br>
{mi cusku ja sisku lo sisku}

[1(2[sisku1 (search-er(s)) , cusku1 (say-er(s)) :] mi I, me)2 [is, does] =AB3(4cusku say-ing ja and/or sisku search-ing)4= =BB3 (5[sisku2 (sought property(ies)) , cusku2 (said thing(s)) :] lo any/some sisku search-er(s))5]1
cusku x1 = =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi}
cusku x2 =3D sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku}

{mi cu= sku gi'a sisku lo sisku}

[1(2[cusku1 (say-er(s)) , sisku1 (search-er(s)) :] mi I, me)2 [is, does] =AB3cusku say-ing=BB3 <= strong class=3D"lojban">gi'a and/or =AB4sisku search-ing=BB4 (5[sisku2 (sought= property(ies)) :] lo any/some sisku search-er(s))5]1
cusku x1 =3D sisku x1 =3D {mi}
cus= ku x2 =3D {zo'e}
sisku x2 =3D {lo sisku}

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011= at 4:23 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
Didn't catch = that because it's a weird construction.

What is the = actual meaning of {mi broda je brode} and how does it differ from {mi broda= gi'e brode}? Obviously it has to have a different meaning because of p= lace structure defaults and tanru-ness, but what is this I don't even ^= w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w^w

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