Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72)
	(envelope-from <lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCVx9LqBBoE0CXcdw@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1Pnj4I-0007Dg-9b; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:49:13 -0800
Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf1843620wyb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:49:03 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version
         :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to
         :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to
         :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive
         :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type
         :content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=FQOIzJRZVdzr2XVvNgL3svqG7CJUSJO7tzJQdGS5Kw8=;
        b=Ty6/Eg3lpPiDumOKWekvFGp8FWLbcFX/UDBIB01lvpdNhY1xZiwfq8cbMBX+W6+OUA
         HMduE1/f/IMi0QEL61+8epDkDaRvVSdYDmp89ShKzd/7CXEBoPlSpq805yGcr5zr8dMW
         VFPS4YfWzrDAUUVM5UVt/9yJMlYibu4XdXhoM=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date
         :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe
         :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding;
        b=OlUp+c2C3Ij3GB6Dp5aMAutvHyt0p1Esmn9cWN6Uv4LrnEeFqy+MXSCKWCAegV1yKe
         Qt8vAyg7hHEyQ+n+l+vLAX0agvViobqehJVDUl+oCdYDELWFNSgUv0PKid24lSoJvnZp
         3Crh7DTvPqcskMcs4YzCPZ2Y0sgti96VAQydo=
Received: by 10.216.169.140 with SMTP id n12mr69826wel.24.1297392533138;
        Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:53 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.216.58.141 with SMTP id q13ls634768wec.2.p; Thu, 10 Feb 2011
 18:48:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.216.45.205 with SMTP id p55mr20328web.14.1297392532122;
        Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.216.45.205 with SMTP id p55mr20327web.14.1297392532091;
        Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ww0-f52.google.com (mail-ww0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i31si28785wej.9.2011.02.10.18.48.51
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:51 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.52;
Received: by mail-ww0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 20so2264053wwd.21
        for <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:51 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.227.133.11 with SMTP id d11mr70972wbt.193.1297392530889; Thu,
 10 Feb 2011 18:48:50 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:48:50 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <20110211023857.GA916@alice.local>
References: <20110211013026.GA628@alice.local>
	<AANLkTikBdtTP9=GZ29L3x5iwiQiOk9cX5CCGDWYuTpNm@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110211023857.GA916@alice.local>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:48:50 -0300
Message-ID: <AANLkTinN+gR1Lp5T7Md=HuqqPLkG08dJyYLiQCEU47hv@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] compound cmavo (and pauses) in BY selma'o
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban-beginners.googlegroups.com>
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Length: 1738

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:38 PM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:11:39PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:30 PM, .alyn.post.
>> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> > There are several compound cmavo in the BY selma'o, {.abu}, {.ebu},
>> > &c. =A0Is this the only selma'o which has words with pauses in them?
>>
>> ".a bu", "denpa bu", "pavyseljirna bu", "bi bu bu bu" etc. are *not*
>> members of BY (and they are not all compound cmavo). They are
>> constructs that behave almost as if they were in BY, but they are not
>> in BY.
>>
>> Similarly "broda zei brode", "da zei de", ".a zei .e zei .i zei .o zei
>> .u", etc are not members of BRIVLA, although they behave almost as if
>> they were.
>>
>> Similarly "zo ,a", "zo .djan.", "zo zo" are not members of KOhA,
>> although they behave almost as if they were. (And the same can be said
>> of the ZOI and LOhU constructs.)
>
> Chapter 17 of the CLL seems to imply otherwise. =A0I gather this is
> errata for the CLL?

CLL says: "All such words suffixed by =93bu=94 are treated grammatically
as if they were cmavo belonging to selma'o BY" which is basically
correct (the only exceptions being around other magic words). I
wouldn't say that's an erratum, perhaps "almost as if they were" would
be more exact.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@=
googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
-beginners?hl=3Den.