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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] compound cmavo (and pauses) in BY selma'o Message-ID: <20110211025240.GB916@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110211013026.GA628@alice.local> <20110211023857.GA916@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1921 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:48:50PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:38 PM, .alyn.post. > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:11:39PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:30 PM, .alyn.post. > >> wrote: > >> > There are several compound cmavo in the BY selma'o, {.abu}, {.ebu}, > >> > &c. =A0Is this the only selma'o which has words with pauses in them? > >> > >> ".a bu", "denpa bu", "pavyseljirna bu", "bi bu bu bu" etc. are *not* > >> members of BY (and they are not all compound cmavo). They are > >> constructs that behave almost as if they were in BY, but they are not > >> in BY. > >> > >> Similarly "broda zei brode", "da zei de", ".a zei .e zei .i zei .o zei > >> .u", etc are not members of BRIVLA, although they behave almost as if > >> they were. > >> > >> Similarly "zo ,a", "zo .djan.", "zo zo" are not members of KOhA, > >> although they behave almost as if they were. (And the same can be said > >> of the ZOI and LOhU constructs.) > > > > Chapter 17 of the CLL seems to imply otherwise. =A0I gather this is > > errata for the CLL? >=20 > CLL says: "All such words suffixed by =93bu=94 are treated grammatically > as if they were cmavo belonging to selma'o BY" which is basically > correct (the only exceptions being around other magic words). I > wouldn't say that's an erratum, perhaps "almost as if they were" would > be more exact. >=20 Wonderful, thank you xorxes. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.