Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl7N0-0000aV-JX; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:45 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf1552804wwb.16 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NP69K33JgrKP/dIKo7lY8nKbUAs333Gcj4n64L3/rLU=; b=5umhufsXwuYOMXJ6YrvkIJZB8budXSySND+/AmRQL/dEnqjcxzgkeE2EgnDAN2usOr RPCD2iFxGLRp5Q1sbkrlat/Uv+8ddkShquYWLzjo0WiUQM6S1FReZ7OMM6u3VYR8m5sU NfTKgnLx1ubwLYyb+piug7f2RU2pIk1OTpLc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Iv7zc7YgmMxkfxR7K1GEuJZMtcSYJDgv142uF7ntRl1bBKigwMcBu7p7sd2C4MaQa6 etRWtj1qtdtCYwXVSCSfghdpKKWFQjCRgXSz+aMyXZX87zXAXlSr476bs5C4AKb2llqI qKIqat/LCnVe9XRpzgyyympH7odzRuMF/tF/4= Received: by 10.216.52.200 with SMTP id e50mr880535wec.25.1296770965106; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.162.73 with SMTP id x51ls947635wek.3.p; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.7 with SMTP id n7mr715778wek.3.1296770963277; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.157.7 with SMTP id n7mr715774wek.3.1296770960668; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i31si989wej.1.2011.02.03.14.09.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1622309wwi.10 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.146.80 with SMTP id g16mr7507162wbv.77.1296770959467; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 14:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 14:09:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:09:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lujvo forming with cmavo rafsi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1352 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wro= te: > > Specifically, I want to form a lujvo meaning "omnicide" (to ta'o this is = due > to the tvtropes trope "Omnicidal Maniac" ta'onai toi).=A0 {ro zei catra} = or > {rolcatra} seems to be wrong. catra be ro da -> ro zei catra -> rolcatra seems fine to me. It has the exact same pattern of: kansa be no da -> nonkansa seljirna be pa da -> pavyseljirna selxi'u be re da -> relselxi'u selkoi be ci da -> cibyselkoi seltu'e be vo da -> vonseltu'e > {ro zei se catra} seems like it's all the victims, so maybe selrolselcatr= a? To me it seems like someone killed by everyone. > I'm not quite clear on what it means to be a lujvo if you don't have a ta= nru > as the basis. Lujvo are never really based on tanru. Only the x1 of a lujvo may sometimes appear to be based on the x1 of a tanru made out of the same component gismu. It doesn't work for any other place than the x1. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.