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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:39 AM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> I don't quite get how one gets grandmother out of mamymamta, though
> I've confused the special significance that an x1 place has before.

mamymamta -> x1 mamta be lo mamta be x2

This is different from "mamta mamta" where x1 is a motherly type of
mother of x2. Not the same thing at all. Lujvo don't come from tanru.

> It seems in this case though that mamymamta either takes one meaning
> for the first mam (mothering) and another meaning for the second
> (mother), or that my gloss for mamta is wrong and it doesn't express
> motherness at all, but an actual mother.
>
> What am not understanding?

There are two "mother-of" relationships involved in the composition of
"mamymamta".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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