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Yeah, and if you read 4.5 you can find this lil' gem.

"""
The lujvo representing a given tanru is built from units representing the
component gismu. These units are called =93rafsi=94 in Lojban. Each rafsi
represents only one gismu. The rafsi are attached together in the order of
the words in the tanru, occasionally inserting so-called =93hyphen=94 lette=
rs to
ensure that the pieces stick together as a single word and cannot
accidentally be broken apart into cmavo, gismu, or other word forms. As a
result, each lujvo can be readily and accurately recognized, allowing a
listener to pick out the word from a string of spoken Lojban, and if
necessary, unambiguously decompose the word to a unique source tanru, thus
providing a strong clue to its meaning.
"""

It seems like the writers of the CLL originally did really just think of
lujvo as being shortened forms of tanru who have been given
an explicit meaning instead of the vague meaning that tanru have.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>w=
rote:

>
>
> 2011/2/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lujvo are never really based on tanru. Only the x1 of a lujvo may
>> sometimes appear to be based on the x1 of a tanru made out of the same
>> component gismu. It doesn't work for any other place than the x1.
>
>
>    I have really no problem with that statement, but the CLL needs to be
> amended on that point.  It specifically says:
>
>
>> There is a close relationship between lujvo and tanru. In fact, lujvo ar=
e
>> condensed forms of tanru:
>>
> (chapter 12, second paragraph)
>             --gejyspa
>
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Yeah, and if you read 4.5 you can find this lil&#39; gem.<div><br></div><di=
v>&quot;&quot;&quot;</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"fo=
nt-family: sans-serif; font-size: medium; ">The lujvo representing a given =
tanru is built from units representing the component gismu. These units are=
 called =93rafsi=94 in Lojban. Each rafsi represents only one gismu. The ra=
fsi are attached together in the order of the words in the tanru, occasiona=
lly inserting so-called =93hyphen=94 letters to ensure that the pieces stic=
k together as a single word and cannot accidentally be broken apart into cm=
avo, gismu, or other word forms. As a result, each lujvo can be readily and=
 accurately recognized, allowing a listener to pick out the word from a str=
ing of spoken Lojban, and if necessary, unambiguously decompose the word to=
 a unique source tanru, thus providing a strong clue to its meaning.</span>=
</div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; fon=
t-size: medium; ">&quot;&quot;&quot;</span></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-=
style-span" face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div><font clas=
s=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"3">It seems like the wri=
ters of the CLL originally did really just think of lujvo as being shortene=
d forms of tanru who have been given an=A0explicit=A0meaning instead of the=
 vague meaning that tanru have.</font></div>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Michael=
 Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">=
mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x;">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><br><br>=A0</div>Lujvo are never really based on tanru. Only the x1 of=
 a lujvo may<br>sometimes appear to be based on the x1 of a tanru made out =
of the same<br>component gismu. It doesn&#39;t work for any other place tha=
n the x1.</blockquote>


<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0</div>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0=A0 I have really no problem with that =
statement, but the CLL needs to be amended on that point.=A0 It specificall=
y says:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;pa=
dding-left:1ex" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>There is a close relationship between lujvo and tanru. In fact, lujvo =
are condensed forms of tanru:</div></blockquote>
<div>(chapter 12, second paragraph)</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div>=A0</div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">

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