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Luke, I just quoted you on the Suggestions for CLL second edition
page, in addition to reorganizing that page to include more topics.

I added a specific area for topics (like Lujvo) that appear in many
areas of the book and need to be checked for consistency as well as
updated.

-Alan

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 03:02:00PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
>    Yeah, and if you read 4.5 you can find this lil' gem.
>    """
>    The lujvo representing a given tanru is built from units representing =
the
>    component gismu. These units are called =EF=BF=BDrafsi=EF=BF=BD in Loj=
ban. Each rafsi
>    represents only one gismu. The rafsi are attached together in the orde=
r of
>    the words in the tanru, occasionally inserting so-called =EF=BF=BDhyph=
en=EF=BF=BD letters
>    to ensure that the pieces stick together as a single word and cannot
>    accidentally be broken apart into cmavo, gismu, or other word forms. A=
s a
>    result, each lujvo can be readily and accurately recognized, allowing =
a
>    listener to pick out the word from a string of spoken Lojban, and if
>    necessary, unambiguously decompose the word to a unique source tanru, =
thus
>    providing a strong clue to its meaning.
>    """
>    It seems like the writers of the CLL originally did really just think =
of
>    lujvo as being shortened forms of tanru who have been given an explici=
t
>    meaning instead of the vague meaning that tanru have.
>    On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Michael Turniansky
>    <[1]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>      2011/2/3 Jorge Llamb=EF=BF=BDas <[2]jjllambias@gmail.com>
>=20
>        Lujvo are never really based on tanru. Only the x1 of a lujvo may
>        sometimes appear to be based on the x1 of a tanru made out of the =
same
>        component gismu. It doesn't work for any other place than the x1.
>=20
>      I have really no problem with that statement, but the CLL needs to b=
e
>      amended on that point. It specifically says:
>=20
>        There is a close relationship between lujvo and tanru. In fact, lu=
jvo
>        are condensed forms of tanru:
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