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On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 03:29:52PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Friday 04 February 2011 14:13:18 Lindar wrote:
> > I don't have an exhaustive list of the English words, so I can't really
> > say, but I'll rattle off a few.
> >
> > gismu - ?? (it's a word-form)
> > cmavo - ??
> 
> function word
> 
> > selma'o - ??
> > bridi - ??
> 
> clause
> 
> > selbri - predicate
> > terbri - argument
> > cnima'o - 'attitudinal'
> 
> ?? - discursive
> 
> > fa'orma'o - 'terminator'
> > gadri - article?
> > sumtcita - modal?
> 
> The proper English translation of "sumtcita" is "adposition", but it is 
> customary in English to call them "prepositions" or "postpositions", 
> whichever occur in the language. Since all Lojban adpositions are 
> prepositions, we should call them that.
> 
> "Modal" is Lojbanic jargon for "preposition derived from a predicate", as 
> distinct from tense markers used as prepositions. In linguistic terminology 
> it refers to words like "ka'e".
> 
> > temtcita - specifically time-related (nonce guess)
> 
> I call them "tense markers". Linguists talk of TAM (tense, aspect, mood). 
> Lojban has spatial tenses as well. I don't know whether they should be 
> considered as a fourth category or lumped with the time tenses.
> 
> Even mood markers can be used as prepositions. What does "mi zbasu ka'e le 
> curnu" mean?
> 
> > tanru - ??
> 
> compound phrase?
> 
> > lujvo - ??
> 
> compound word, but some lujvo formed with cmavo aren't compounds in the 
> linguistic sense, but derivations.
> 
> > rafsi - ??
> 
> bound form
> 
> > selrafsi - ??
> > zi'evla - ??
> > fu'ivla - 'borrow-word'
> > malgli - =D
> 
> Anglicism
> 
> > ra'abri - 'clause' (like {noi})
> 
> What's that? If you mean "subordinate clause", I'd say "vipybri", but that's 
> what I'd call "nu broda". "noi broda" is a skibri.
> 
> > terjonma'o - 'connective' ({.e} or {gi'e})
> 
> conjunction
> 
> Also we should have Lojban words for natlang grammatical terms. As some 
> features of natlangs are lacking in Lojban, some of these will be fu'ivla.
> 
> cmene - proper noun
> cmevla - intrinsic proper noun ("John", as distinct from "Bear")
> fauvla - verb
> daivla - noun
> skivla - adjective
> adverbio - adverb
> nalcme daivla - common noun
> infinitivo - infinitive
> participio - participle
> tersu'i - case
> vlacne - inflect (said of a word)
> faurvlacne - conjugate
> dairvlacne ja skivlacne - decline
> tairmupli - form of a word
> sumbasti, sumyma'o - pronoun
> 
> Pierre

ki'esai pi'er

mu'o mi'e .alyn.
-- 
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