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Yeah, the english sounds tautolgical to me.  But that's not necessarily a
bad thing.  Sometimes we use tautologies to pull the familiarity away from a
word that has come to almost be a name.  "people are people", "haters gonna
hate".  "lo pendo cu pendo" sounds to me like "friends are friends" which
seems like the intent is to remind us that {lo pendo} is not {la pendo} ;)

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>wrote:

> The reason I care is because I'm playing around with the thought of doing
> some translations of songs I like, and one of them is "Friends Will Be
> Friends" by Queen.
>
> The refrain is:
> Its so easy love cos you got friends you can trust
> Friends will be friends
> When you're in need of love they give you care and attention
> Friends will be friends
> When you're through with life and all hope is lost
> Hold out your hands cos friends will be friends right till the
> End
>
> It does say what it means by "friends will be friends", making the English
> sound fine, but the lojban still sounds {mucte lo ka malgli}, but I think
> the line is important enough to try to translate literally at least to some
> extent.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't exactly pin down what this is meant to imply. It sounds
>> tautological in English, but more so in Lojban. I read it as "A friend is
>> going to be a friend.", which is why you should never ever ever ever ever
>> translate words or phrases; you should translate meanings. Are you trying to
>> state that one cannot prevent friends from being friends? If so, why not
>> just say what you mean?
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Yeah, the english sounds tautolgical to me. =A0But that&#39;s not necessari=
ly a bad thing. =A0Sometimes we use tautologies to pull the familiarity awa=
y from a word that has come to almost be a name. =A0&quot;people are people=
&quot;, &quot;haters gonna hate&quot;. =A0&quot;lo pendo cu pendo&quot; sou=
nds to me like &quot;friends are friends&quot; which seems like the intent =
is to remind us that {lo pendo} is not {la pendo} ;)<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Alex Rozensh=
teyn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64@gmail.com">rpglover=
64@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
The reason I care is because I&#39;m playing around with the thought of=20
doing some translations of songs I like, and one of them is &quot;Friends=
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Will Be Friends&quot; by Queen.<br><br>The refrain is:<br>Its so easy love =
cos you got friends you can trust<br>Friends will be friends<br>When you&#3=
9;re in need of love they give you care and attention<br>Friends will be fr=
iends<br>

When you&#39;re through with life and all hope is lost<br>Hold out your han=
ds cos friends will be friends right till the<br>End<div style=3D"overflow:=
hidden;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);background-color:transparent;text-align:left;text=
-decoration:none;border:medium none">

<br>It does say what it means by &quot;friends will be friends&quot;, makin=
g the English sound fine, but the lojban still sounds {mucte lo ka malgli},=
 but I think the line is important enough to try to translate literally at =
least to some extent.<br>

</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lindar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:lindarthebard@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@yahoo.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
I can&#39;t exactly pin down what this is meant to imply. It sounds tautolo=
gical in English, but more so in Lojban. I read it as &quot;A friend is goi=
ng to be a friend.&quot;, which is why you should never ever ever ever ever=
 translate words or phrases; you should translate meanings. Are you trying =
to state that one cannot prevent friends from being friends? If so, why not=
 just say what you mean?

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