Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlULk-0004g9-AO; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:59 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1249354vws.16 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DmfIQJ6SGfSD8/7WGmYrpvhQkKR1nZZJDO2VjJwggbM=; b=y0WznMsU+/wVABW57QmBTXcYnZD13ngs6wHYwTj6DKaHXrYSkb1Kz1jqAd2z4d7N7N q+003S4i1widtxc1wrHBJ9/NbN7qXzjN5TVjQA1L5A6TVsLDyn3ed0n9S5BMKXPt4ppj XxojZsj/2wmmP7iW04YUAJzBbEQHY3dxH/0so= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=A+BR7mIOQlTP4o/dbRo50/KnfrUjYYEaV4RMuqgDNxDfEqzoxtQLPIHG0j+9w5QEN4 rMmHu+a358cM8fX51NzlgIb2jzzcb6jLqJ95k5D8uDCn48olK269zWhxNsJ7V25hHUB0 LqZpm6Oa4NbLmC86kLNSdR4TCNf3pIT3MwTYo= Received: by 10.220.74.80 with SMTP id t16mr836735vcj.38.1296859298767; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.67.197 with SMTP id s5ls521058vci.2.p; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.177.12 with SMTP id bg12mr2984261vcb.5.1296859297719; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.177.12 with SMTP id bg12mr2984260vcb.5.1296859297689; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com (mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t10si169863vcc.11.2011.02.04.14.41.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.181; Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so2395861qyk.19 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.6 with SMTP id dc6mr10564006qcb.175.1296859296248; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.107.13 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:41:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:41:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lujvo forming with cmavo rafsi From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f8ddad3424049b7c9541 Content-Length: 3469 --00163630f8ddad3424049b7c9541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > It seems like the writers of the CLL originally did really just think of > lujvo as being shortened forms of tanru who have been given > an explicit meaning instead of the vague meaning that tanru have. > > While I fully agree and support that lujvo do not need to be based on tanru, still I would suggest not to walk too much on the wild side. I would still prefer to start with a tanru (if possible) and then move toward more complex sentence as a base for a new lujvo. Sure, I can make a lujvo and give it whatever meaning and place structure I please but how good would it be? I think you can tell that a lujvo is a good one if you are able to guess the meaning. {rolcatra} seems rather good to me : {ro} + {catra} -> "all" "killer" -> "killer of all" (omincide) -> {ko'a catra ro ko'e ko'i} I should really do an effort to think something differnt. remod. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00163630f8ddad3424049b7c9541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrot= e:

It seems like the writers of the CLL originally = did really just think of lujvo as being shortened forms of tanru who have b= een given an=A0explicit=A0meaning instead of the vague meaning that tanru h= ave.


While I fully agree and s= upport that lujvo do not need to be based on tanru, still I would suggest n= ot to walk too much on the wild side.

I would still prefer to start = with a tanru (if possible) and then move toward more complex sentence as a = base for a new lujvo.

Sure, I can make a lujvo and give it whatever meaning and place structu= re I please but how good would it be?

I think you can tell that a lu= jvo is a good one if you are able to guess the meaning.

{rolcatra} s= eems rather good to me : {ro} + {catra}=A0 -> "all" "kill= er" -> "killer of all" (omincide) -> {ko'a catra r= o ko'e ko'i}

I should really do an effort to think something differnt.

remod.=

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