Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlhbV-0008D3-Kj; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:51:10 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf1498610vws.16 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=WEyIsX/TBabKgIxSCnaUewqFZhKw1xt+PPCTr4tf8uo=; b=o5KKJqwaqdsoVmgynV71ATvIV1lVCtyb5erDFJeC/uvZ9HnvpA+46WxnrncrGJ3nay hUFy+4vbhywzH7hguWF26GHhuu7xDXH44yCUyWPU7kn7gk1ensUhHv+Pu8F+yj+i5Kno 205hXM/yu6soTMF9K9/1UThJ2sgzZjClHIlZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=4Zkob+W/kj1hUO5MJibbpHlwLn5WAZK9P5+4M9vxjCUBH18sTwJZjv4Ntws+bB6rIo 3ROE95E8STQUgB2b5DcOcUKDuCuI4VFX8iBPJM56YuytRZAKqFM9SJeKHnhZr0bdvOXq UAMLvMTh/C3ZE7IsXbkH0yDQ0YJjaA/CE2to0= Received: by 10.220.158.195 with SMTP id g3mr281339vcx.9.1296910248211; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls589139vcp.0.p; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.193.133 with SMTP id du5mr3345016vcb.19.1296910247382; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.193.133 with SMTP id du5mr3345015vcb.19.1296910247339; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m31si245630vcr.9.2011.02.05.04.50.46; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 04:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=wSgGA4XlzLMA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=40uS3_CwTyE1SWO3KhwA:9 a=q68mvN-KpW-2CpOtD1W82lsKC8sA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51103] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 61/7B-13137-6A74D4D4; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:50:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928C8DBA6 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:50:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Here" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:50:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102050750.43795.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 800 On Saturday 05 February 2011 07:15:16 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > Is it reasonable to imply "here" with {zvati}? e.g. {mi zvati} for "I'm > here". Is it much better to use {bu'u} somehow? It can be implicit, but to be explicit I'd say "mi zvati ti". "mi bu'u zvati" means "I am where I am", as space tenses are by default referred to the speaker. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.