Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PllWe-0005dg-8Y; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:26 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf2228289gyb.16 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/JxeTrT/WwWcGpshukmOE/tgjSfmyJM2riO3YonHyAk=; b=6CseDQF+gu4HxRO8yEVg+q4x3LKxmznYR/fV0DgHaAjDIakXaNQ4cagvtGXRHv6aUp ik/+hIwn1vsh58w1LfZKHsscYHQ3jXHcZDLcAFYr4Jakk8xRRjFY3qqt9uKsH2DbJzmc y40jxN8jmYRnswejFYEQ0ZS7eELBYqWHffS1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=kaNURymnGCyw/2mZBVjGVg1jroTn+CvY/v1AYHV1PAnf9J33cblPDCuPOIfZBOPPOg I5LAUeN6LWkhELXQksjYC+TXyZ17Vr1UrB2vXWhF3MGhNREGJkJ4pM6n6As5hqL9mugF AgGQHmAlRaAEXc2FjL0FC7AxB/7i8OobLr9+c= Received: by 10.101.180.30 with SMTP id h30mr506094anp.6.1296925323073; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls3772388ibb.1.p; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.30.202 with SMTP id v10mr5976248ibc.4.1296925322319; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.30.202 with SMTP id v10mr5976247ibc.4.1296925322284; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si425961ibq.7.2011.02.05.09.02.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.173 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by iwc10 with SMTP id 10so3410186iwc.4 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.164.73 with SMTP id f9mr670552icy.113.1296925322091; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-165-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.165.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jv9sm1627442icb.1.2011.02.05.09.01.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 10:01:57 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Here" Message-ID: <20110205170157.GA61729@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <201102050750.43795.phma@phma.optus.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.173 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1265 On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 03:15:15PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Saturday, February 5, 2011, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 05 February 2011 07:15:16 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > >> Is it reasonable to imply "here" with {zvati}? =A0e.g. {mi zvati} for = "I'm > >> here". =A0Is it much better to use {bu'u} somehow? > > > > It can be implicit, but to be explicit I'd say "mi zvati ti". "mi bu'u = zvati" > > means "I am where I am" >=20 > I would say {bu'uku mi zvati} for "Here I am!" >=20 > remod >=20 I spent a fair bit of time speaking in Lojban to my nearest available 1 year old, and one phrase I hadn't quite figured out is "come here!" I gather that I could say: "ko bu'umi zvati" Good? Is there something better? I think I've been hung up on this one by the short and imperative nature of the English statement. -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.