Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqS9k-0001vD-B3; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:22:10 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf3239301wwb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:21:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NHPZ9VMqMEuCkXP1wDPinGJ6TJpunm4fQAxCa1ivRV0=; b=CK27yFyY/Oo2wqeb6WUwtC1RJrh3RAjnDkmgLgLopHpOZMEJUjkwfcR1vrQ9a7Oo/L N/Rh32gMLyzZZMJe1kutKz48ShI/98wjjgSiXjPP92uQ55/s82O+Y3+loCBl0ysEqdAr ZYSHOk0G0C0Gy8uB9Y8/VSNwitfYJagcctG04= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=17EWQ+VbFjcEQuFDPZ/TreunkbbCSDs9EJV+88vB7+WArgK4n7y+v2ONtC2p6ImQj0 1tjOKu6IN2qcYjjvhvQAQwOMNXbykeOUlWniovQKBTxvJubOA06+YF8JVOXqGWK8GgG+ WxmdvnVQLnPhViVWVNgSzUcOILJpXzAZMvres= Received: by 10.216.120.203 with SMTP id p53mr727546weh.0.1298041796666; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.23.5 with SMTP id p5ls819719ebb.3.p; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.179.79 with SMTP id g57mr120846wem.12.1298041794687; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.179.79 with SMTP id g57mr120845wem.12.1298041794667; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4si278569weq.4.2011.02.18.07.09.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.47; Received: by mail-ww0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 39so3958663wwb.4 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.132.149 with SMTP id b21mr741836wbt.48.1298041794518; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:09:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28379654.1304.1297380220015.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prcm35> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:09:54 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] translation check on zo-related quote From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1559 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0 For example, could we define the x2 of "broda JA brode" to be the x2 = of > both independently i.e. "x1 broda JA brode x2" (or "x1 x2 broda JA > brode")=A0-> "x1 broda=A0GIhA brode vau x2"=A0(this certainly seems to be= the way > that jbofi'e understands it.=A0)? The problem appears when broda and brode don't have parallel place structures. Does "blanu je zdani" make sense? Is "ta blanu je zdani mi" the same as "ta blanu mi .ije ta zdani mi"? Is "ta melbi je nixli li so" the same as "ta melbi li so .ije ta nixli li so"? ("blanu je zdani" and "melbi je nixli" are examples in CLL, but only the x1 is considered.) > That would lead to interesting things like: > mi bajra jo farlu lo=A0bisli po'o=A0("I am (runner-iff-faller) only on ic= e" > ->=A0Ice is the only surface I fall on when I'm running on that surface, = and > I=A0fall on the ice when I'm running on ice. "mi bajra jo farlu lo bisli lo tuple"? And even if one could contemplate falling from one's legs, I can't imagine merging the gait with the gravity well (but I have no idea how to specify either). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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