2011/2/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Michael Turniansky
&l= t;mturniansky@gmail.com> wr= ote:
>
> =A0=A0 I would say that x2 of "melbi je nixli&quo= t; can be anything that is both an
> age, and a perceiver of beauty.=A0 You will certainly grant that I can=
> meaningfully ask, "ma se melbi=A0gi'e se nixli"=A0 I= f the answer is "no da",
> then it is "no da", bu= t that doesn't stop the x2 from existing, merely from
> being filled in any meaningful way.

Let's not confuse= answers with values. "no da" is an answer, not a
value. It is= the answer that says that there is no value that can go
in that slot.

=A0

=A0 Yes, and I'm saying if there is nothing that is both a "s= e melbi" and a "se nixli", then I accept that fact.=A0 Doesn= 't mean I can't ask the question.=A0 Therefore, if there is nothing= that is both a "se melbi" and a "se nixli" then there = is nothing that can go in the x2 of a "melbi je nixli" as well.

=A0

If "ta melbi je nixli n= o da" is true, then "ta melbi je nixli zo'e"
has to b= e false. It won't be true even if "ta" refers to a pretty
girl.

=A0

=A0I agree.=A0 I just don't know if you premise is true.=A0 (Altho= ugh I concede it probably is).

=A0

>> How many arguments does the tanru "melb= i je nixli" have, and what is
>> the relationship that "= melbi je nixli" expresses among its argumens?
>> Are you sayi= ng that "melbi je nixli" is a one-argument predicate?
>
> It has four, but probably only the first,=A0=A0and fourth are = meaningful for
> (well, of course, it has infinite, like every brivla= , but only the first
> four are defined).=A0 Actually, the third coul= d be useable, too.=A0 "la cilas.
> cu melbi je nixli fi lo merko" -- "Sheila is beautiful=A0for= her Americanness,
> but is underage by American standards".=A0 = But this is probably a cheat, since
> it means that "lo merko&qu= ot; as to be a single something that is both a standard
> of age, and a quality of beauty simultaneously.

But for &= quot;la cilas cu melbi je nixli zo'e lo merko" to be true, therehas to be some value (even if it's not worth mentioning) that is
related to "la cilas" and to "lo merko" by the "me= lbi je nixli"
relationship. That's not to say that there are so= me words like "no da"
that you could put in the x2 to make a t= rue claim.

=A0

=A0 Why does have to be true any more than there has to be true that t= here must be something that can fill the x1 slot of the tanru "cunri&#= 39;o pavyseljirna" in order for me to say it?=A0 If it really bothers = you to have an x2 in melbi je nixli that can't be filled in any meaning= ful way, then zi'o it out.=A0 The slot is there, it's defined, it j= sut can't be filled with anything, probably, making it useless.

=A0

>> Maybe the answer has to be that the place st= ructure of "broda je
>> brode" cannot be determined in g= eneral, and it has to be defined on a
>> case by case basis, like = the place structures of lujvo.
>
> =A0 Agreed.

But that disagrees with what you said= above.

=A0

=A0 I agreed it's a "maybe" :-).=A0 But I don't thin= k it needs to be.

=A0

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

=A0

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