Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqWZk-0006lE-BP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:05:26 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf2297009fxm.16 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:04:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RS3g3zh5Q1v2NDacpM+EYgc1s1d4Mc3g4+u7yhOPuAM=; b=fj/Q76z8mC1ID1xKspxrk5GXh0pMh0BzaRPag7l/J7LkcwKU54fO8qgqo+PWxAKcsD DQ0HHj4dTQivfZLnm2v/w1C+TQtHowsqfCHrkJ/hfHb+CvOhVXH5mrytG68UmZAWW27J o8wUjYZGL9hULzhVbDUtQz5yg0PyT1F9vr0f4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=j/LPnHoSHBeiIk9EnDyu2s2yNh5NQqMPbvFbN59dw7QJTnZDcvzrm8scT8L1bpjBvE 1bccFWviWc02K6baztNNNkMYKCAOde6D74exofadGL4bfy50Gaz3mnd1mK3/YBZhSmir +Y1zrncWmN/yGRSboCn3HNaeHFoHts0IzV1eI= Received: by 10.223.74.8 with SMTP id s8mr111180faj.4.1298059440608; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.7.80 with SMTP id c16ls345393fac.3.p; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.96.208 with SMTP id i16mr129047fan.28.1298059439532; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.96.208 with SMTP id i16mr129046fan.28.1298059439501; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com (mail-bw0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e12si231662fav.12.2011.02.18.12.03.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so1106255bwz.33 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.99.207 with SMTP id v15mr1020417bkn.206.1298059437492; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.232.80 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:03:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102171403.40004.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201102171622.02738.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:03:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f87d8eab4d2b049c940389 Content-Length: 2276 --001485f87d8eab4d2b049c940389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2011/2/18 Michael Turniansky If they are not qualified with NOI or GOI, or some other mechanism, "ro da" > MUST refer to everything, > As there are almost no bridi, that can be true about *every*thing (with the strong "every"), "roda" is useless. So, we should deduce, that one, used unrestricted "roda", have elided some "poi", just like it usually does with unspoken sumtis, UIs, etc. -- mi'e lex mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001485f87d8eab4d2b049c940389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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If they are not qualified with NOI or GOI, or some other m= echanism,=A0"ro da" MUST refer to everything,
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As there are almost no bridi, that can be true about *every*thing (= with the strong "every"), "roda" is useless. So, we sho= uld deduce, that one, used unrestricted "roda", have elided some = "poi", just like it usually does with unspoken sumtis, UIs, etc.<= br>

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