Received: from mail-gw0-f56.google.com ([74.125.83.56]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pqs4S-0000r4-P6; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:24 -0800 Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19sf1371713gwj.1 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dUzkuGuQrOZFCkvS7zJ0fyhzZk2GlyLKdmdWFO3nLVA=; b=HwpKrC3LyM+3yx6uAEdQySvZtNo6uuv8dxVSxVlkroGV3dqSS7UmVI2QCKMM8qVrff rkhx5VT6aKlVQ0liROUZUqvsh3Yw7K5TvW6R/KLBgpGa7FpYtF5BBJm5lATInRZioMc6 TNIwmy9Br7nSsszBhp1yMKH67pcv1rQV45D3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HxcugkQqz+FI5OLJGSY0I3APTDu6HY/szgxiX/z9QUMwq4L573lOeKqp6rK5q9YhlA kvsKtkXm33pxU+kozo5MchlfCbs/SnRY2xsy3VYrJZjQyoepeehwnRzOkOofg4eSkOwk 34wmxE2AJHT/DszWbSOJTGvbFQ6bx2+YJel54= Received: by 10.90.250.5 with SMTP id x5mr247341agh.35.1298142123856; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls3588980ibk.3.p; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr648480ibb.3.1298142121748; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr648479ibb.3.1298142121717; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f177.google.com (mail-iy0-f177.google.com [209.85.210.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si730358ibu.2.2011.02.19.11.02.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.177; Received: by mail-iy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 40so868389iyf.8 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.239.2 with SMTP id ku2mr2595213icb.497.1298142121637; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.141.67 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:02:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] {nal-} vs {nar-} From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30434794073842049ca74419 Content-Length: 2235 --20cf30434794073842049ca74419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand the difference between {na'e} and {na} in bridi. I'm curious if there's a stylistic guideline for which one should be used in creating a lujvo when the difference in meaning is very subtle. For example, "atheist" is translated as {nalceikri} = {na'e ceikri} implying that {lo nalceikri} lies somewhere on the spectrum of belief in some god, but not at the {ceikri} end of it. I'm personally tempted to use {narceikri} = {na ceikri} saying nothing about {lo narceikri} except that {ny} is not a {lo ceikri}. -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30434794073842049ca74419 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand the difference between {na'e} and {na} in bridi.=A0 I'= m curious if there's a stylistic guideline for which one should be used= in creating a lujvo when the difference in meaning is very subtle.

For example, "atheist" is translated as {nalceikri} =3D {na'e= ceikri} implying that {lo nalceikri} lies somewhere on the spectrum of bel= ief in some god, but not at the {ceikri} end of it.=A0 I'm personally t= empted to use {narceikri} =3D {na ceikri} saying nothing about {lo narceikr= i} except that {ny} is not a {lo ceikri}.

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