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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda}
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2011/2/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   roda su'ode zo'u ganai da  taxfu gi de ka'e dasni da
> > (true or false, the claim "everything that is a garment must be
> potentially
> > wearable by something" is an example where roda has its intended use)
>
> Do you agree that "ro prenu cu xebni mi" is equivalent to "ro da poi
> prenu cu xebni mi"?
>
> Yes


> Do you agree that they are also equivalent to "ro da zo'u ganai da
> prenu gi da xebni mi"?
>

Yes


> If you do, I don't see what distinction you want to make between
> universal claims that use a bindable variable and those that don't.
> The bindable variable "da" is the least important part of those
> claims, it's just used for bookkeeping, it has no content of its own.
> The content is in the predicates and the quantifier.
>

 I'm not asserting there is a distinction between universal claims using a
bindable variable and those that don't.  (Unless I'm misunderstanding your
question).  My problem is using a universal bindable variable without
binding it, and then claiming it's something less than universal. "roda
zvati it" when no, only the people that are expected to be here are, not th=
e
planet Jupiter, the mayor of Rio de Janeiro, or the Great Wall of China.

              --gejyspa


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/18 Jorge Llamb=
=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllamb=
ias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Michael Turniansky<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 roda su&#39;ode zo&#39;u ganai da=A0 taxfu gi de ka&#39;e dasni da=
<br>
&gt; (true or false, the claim &quot;everything that is a garment must be p=
otentially<br>
&gt; wearable by something&quot; is an example where roda has its intended =
use)<br>
<br>
</div>Do you agree that &quot;ro prenu cu xebni mi&quot; is equivalent to &=
quot;ro da poi<br>
prenu cu xebni mi&quot;?<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Yes<br>=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
Do you agree that they are also equivalent to &quot;ro da zo&#39;u ganai da=
<br>
prenu gi da xebni mi&quot;?<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes<br>=A0<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
If you do, I don&#39;t see what distinction you want to make between<br>
universal claims that use a bindable variable and those that don&#39;t.<br>
The bindable variable &quot;da&quot; is the least important part of those<b=
r>
claims, it&#39;s just used for bookkeeping, it has no content of its own.<b=
r>
The content is in the predicates and the quantifier.<br></blockquote><div>=
=A0=A0 <br>=A0I&#39;m not asserting there is a distinction between universa=
l claims using a bindable variable and those that don&#39;t.=A0 (Unless I&#=
39;m misunderstanding your question).=A0 My problem is using a universal bi=
ndable variable without binding it, and then claiming it&#39;s something le=
ss than universal. &quot;roda zvati it&quot; when no, only the people that =
are expected to be here are, not the planet Jupiter, the mayor of Rio de Ja=
neiro, or the Great Wall of China. <br>
=A0<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa<br><br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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