After thinking about it for a little while, it does seem lik= e if we start letting vagueness get into {roda} it would be a hard concept = to get back. =A0If {roda} were context dependent, how would one express the= {roda} that gejyspa is advocating for? =A0{roda poi zasti}? =A0No, not all= things exist. =A0Seems like you've got to have at least one word or ph= rase that=A0literally=A0means EVERYTHING or else how can you express EVERYT= HING unless you do a bunch of crazy addition of things like {roda poi broda= ja na broda} or something.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mtur= niansky@gmail.com> wrote:

2011/= 2/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Michael Turniansky
<= br> <mturniansky@= gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 roda su'ode zo'u ganai da=A0 taxfu gi de ka'e dasni da=
> (true or false, the claim "everything that is a garment must be p= otentially
> wearable by something" is an example where roda has its intended = use)

Do you agree that "ro prenu cu xebni mi&= quot; is equivalent to "ro da poi
prenu cu xebni mi"?

Yes
=A0

Do you agree that they are also equivalent to "ro da zo'u ganai da=
prenu gi da xebni mi"?

Yes
=A0

If you do, I don't see what distinction you want to make between
universal claims that use a bindable variable and those that don't.
The bindable variable "da" is the least important part of those claims, it's just used for bookkeeping, it has no content of its own. The content is in the predicates and the quantifier.

=A0=A0
=A0I'm not asserting there is a distinction between uni= versal claims using a bindable variable and those that don't.=A0 (Unles= s I'm misunderstanding your question).=A0 My problem is using a univers= al bindable variable without binding it, and then claiming it's somethi= ng less than universal. "roda zvati it" when no, only the people = that are expected to be here are, not the planet Jupiter, the mayor of Rio = de Janeiro, or the Great Wall of China.
=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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