2011/2/20 Jorge Llamb= =EDas <jjllamb= ias@gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> =A0I'm not asserting there is a distinction between universal clai= ms using a
> bindable variable and those that don't.

Then I don't understand the distinction you want to make between = "ro
da xebni mi" and "ro prenu cu xebni mi".

Sure, the second one is more restricted than the first, but only a
little bit. They are both just as nonsensical if taken to extremes,
since someone who says "everyone hates me" usually doesn't me= an to say
that they hate themselves any more than they mean to say that the
kitchen sink hates them.

=A0 =A0 True.=A0 And if the p= erson is speaking precisely and doesn't really mean it literally, the s= hould have either a ba'u=A0 after the "ro", change the ro to = "so'a", or stick a "le" after the ro.=A0 But I also= think that is much easier to be context dependent with a real gismu/tanru/= fu'ivla/lujvo than with with an existential variable.

=A0=A0=A0 But to say that "ro prenu" is only a "little b= it" more restricted that "ro da"?=A0 I don't think so.= =A0=A0 There's basically 6 billion prenu in this world, and ?? in the u= niverse, but there's somewhere around 2^(10^43) different ways you can = arrange the atoms in the universe.. quite a bit more "things" tha= t fall under the rubric of "ro da".

> (Unless I'm misunderstanding your
> question).=A0 My problem is using a universal bindable variable withou= t
> binding it, and then claiming it's something less than universal.<= br>

Take this sentence from "le la BERenstein. cribe .e. le jinga gu= zmrkukurbita":

.i .iecai bybycy ca'o ba'e banro .i ri ru'i zenba le ka barda e= le ka
bolci e le ka narju fi'o temci ro djedi

(I think it needs a "kei" after "narju".) Does it mean = that bybycy was
growing even before it existed, for example, and will keep growing
when it no longer exists, or is "every day" restricted to relevan= t
days?

=A0=A0 (You're r= ight about the kei.=A0 I'll try to remember to fix it later).=A0=A0 Yup= , Papa spoke imprecisely.=A0 But what do you want?=A0 He's a bear, and = a farmer/craftsbear at that, not a logician.=A0 He should have said "r= o le djedi".=A0 But I still think it's easier to contextualize &qu= ot;djedi" than "da".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 --gejyspa
=A0

=A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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