Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PraPr-0008IA-WB; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:30 -0800 Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20sf1194026gwb.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Y7C/jjfavJvmt2ZvRYNEOd4Fz/akaNEVKTYJ+jaBqvY=; b=U2hDMCQ/9rnV22/XQH2L8zkjnktw5WWOrzEve9dMeGvBsbIkGw43Ahl2qDASVxJR25 DKcXEbRjPqq6IGs8nP7hGWV/T/gLcjS+EODnFKNQmB1lPR9XOntfpzMstLmM/8OTGKmu t2d++3gQUwuYNdiLo86RPkbn50a6Zi47DsVro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CYpzjoWrYLPO2isWDXKdLhCbBccsvlGP2NbcWBSJnVzvWlxA9S/Bfv2+YzpXZuRaJK vLsdje26x0Kf2lagHW84J0aMzwPsnQyqJ1I0+Xx81+6mTbiAX6xQBeh08Dii6HI+kVm6 zGOhWQ/eb95suO4V2Q/zgTvmdqCWvwv1+dHaA= Received: by 10.150.202.12 with SMTP id z12mr267876ybf.81.1298312590033; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls5481398ibh.0.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.160.209 with SMTP id o17mr492067ibx.19.1298312589332; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.160.209 with SMTP id o17mr492066ibx.19.1298312589304; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si1210857ibq.7.2011.02.21.10.23.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 38so6190883iwn.8 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.76 with SMTP id w12mr1376724ibd.148.1298312589189; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:23:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.141 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102171403.40004.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201102171622.02738.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Luke Bergen Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:22:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575896afa31e049ccef460 Content-Length: 3181 --000325575896afa31e049ccef460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would read that as "everything (which are people) hate me". So you're still saying {roda xebni mi} while also implying that {roda prenu}. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:13 AM, tijlan wrote: > Using an unbound "da", can one say "ro da noi prenu cu xebni mi" to > mean the usual sense of "everyone hates me" (where "everyone" doesn't > include "me")? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000325575896afa31e049ccef460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would read that as "everything (which are people) hate me". =A0= So you're still saying {roda xebni mi} while also implying that {roda p= renu}.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:13 AM, t= ijlan <jbotijla= n@gmail.com> wrote:
Using an unbound "da", can one sa= y "ro da noi prenu cu xebni mi" to
mean the usual sense of "everyone hates me" (where "everyone= " doesn't
include "me")?

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